Redskins 2011 Starting Quarterback: John Beck?

[Monkeydad]

Originally Posted by Alvin Walton

Wow, 33 pages devoted to guessing who will fill one position.
When the player is finally revealed there will be much rejoicing and or teeth gnashing.

Sounds like someone has been reading Revelations.

[GusFrerotte]

Very few poeple outside of Skinsland think the Shannys are really going to go with Beck, and I have to concur. I can't see Beck being anything other than a fanciful project for the Shanahan's. You can say all you want about Kurt Warner, but that kind of stuff only happens once in a generation at best. I still say we go for Palmer, or Alex Smith at the very least. You will have to have at least another vet in there to go to if Beck is a flop and Rexy sucks. It is too bad things are the way they are with Donovan. If these newbie receivers make the team and can contribute he can get his groove back.

[Dirtbag59]

Cardinals game is up. I intend to do Grossman's week 15, 16, an 17 games but it's much easier to do the 33 snaps that Beck did during preseason rather then the 130+ snaps Grossman did this year so it'll probably take some time to finish all three games.


Also heres the Jets game.

[Bucket]

He actually looks sharp, and I enjoy his quick release. He actually looks quicker on his feet then Mcnabb did.

[Dirtbag59]

The thing that continues to worry me is that deep ball. We'll see this preseason (assuming there is one) if last preseason was simply him not knowing the timing on the deeper routes or simply a case of Beck being a guy that isn't good enough to be a starting QB.

PS - 30 you need to be more specific about which Cromartie. I was watching the Cardinals footage looking for DRC, and who cares if you wrote Jets, it still doesn't explain your inattention to detail

[tryfuhl]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag59

PS - 30 you need to be more specific about which Cromartie. I was watching the Cardinals footage looking for DRC, and who cares if you wrote Jets, it still doesn't explain your inattention to detail

lol what?

[30gut]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag59

The thing that continues to worry me is that deep ball. We'll see this preseason (assuming there is one) if last preseason was simply him not knowing the timing on the deeper routes or simply a case of Beck being a guy that isn't good enough to be a starting QB.

I'm not very concerned about his deep ball.
(If you watch the BYU clips it seem all he did was throw bombs)

My main concerns are:
o throwing height
o inconsistent mechanics/variety of throwing platforms
o velocity to make the stick throws

He's only 6'2 and, unlike Drew Brees, Beck has a low release point
One reason why Brees is successful despite being 6' is he has a classic over the shoulder throwing motion with a high release point that makes him throw taller then his height Beck is the opposite.
Low release point, makes him shorter.
Will it be an issue? Who knows?

He's kinda like Romo and McCoy that he can throw/release the ball from different angles and from different platforms.
But, it makes his mechanics seem inconsistent, will the ball always go where he wants?

Velocity, I see hints of it but I want to see more.

PS - 30 you need to be more specific about which Cromartie. I was watching the Cardinals footage looking for DRC, and who cares if you wrote Jets, it still doesn't explain your inattention to detail

Eh?
Just how many pills are you taking post surgey?
You may want to cut back or take more because they're making you loopy.
The Jets have Cromatie not Rogers-Cromartie, last names are there for a reason my friend.

[T.O.Killa]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag59

Cardinals game is up. I intend to do Grossman's week 15, 16, an 17 games but it's much easier to do the 33 snaps that Beck did during preseason rather then the 130+ snaps Grossman did this year so it'll probably take some time to finish all three games.


Also heres the Jets game.

I was pretty impressed with Beck in those two preseason games. He had only been with team 12 days, when he played the Jets. Another thing I liked was Erik Cook's Performance. Maybe the big Tuna was just a realy bad fit for him.

Check this out, every body loved this guy:

YouTube - ‪John Beck draft...

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by T.O.Killa

I was pretty impressed with Beck in those two preseason games. He had only been with team 12 days, when he played the Jets. Another thing I liked was Erik Cook's Performance. Maybe the big Tuna was just a realy bad fit for him.

Cook and Austin were definitely preseason heroes. Capers wasn't to bad either. Personally I would love to see Cook win the starting Center job. Also Kory L didn't look to bad either this past year but then again he plays the easiest position on the line. Though I'm not sure that pairing a tall center (Cook) with a short QB (Grossman) and another QB whose throwing motion makes him play short (Beck) is the best idea.

[T.O.Killa]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag59

Cook and Austin were definitely preseason heroes. Capers wasn't to bad either. Personally I would love to see Cook win the starting Center job. Also Kory L didn't look to bad either this past year but then again he plays the easiest position on the line. Then again I'm not sure that pairing a tall center with a short QB and another QB whose throwing motion makes him play short is the best idea.

Yeah, we thought we were looking at the all crap team and Kory and Will turned out to be decent starters. Selvish had allot of the athletic abilities, but was very weak. Hopefully, he has been in the weight room and can earn a spot on the roster this year.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag59

Cardinals game is up. I intend to do Grossman's week 15, 16, an 17 games but it's much easier to do the 33 snaps that Beck did during preseason rather then the 130+ snaps Grossman did this year so it'll probably take some time to finish all three games.


Also heres the Jets game.

You're pulling up John Beck pre season highlights? Wow. I'm not sure what to say about that.

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

You're pulling up John Beck pre season highlights? Wow. I'm not sure what to say about that.

Send money plz. Lol jk, I already haz monies. Either way being bed ridden with a hernia the past two weeks has given me more time then usual, so I decided to take on a few projects.

Originally Posted by Hog1

Have you ever noticed how simliar John Becks release and style of play is to.....John Elway? Peyton Manning? Tom Brady......Joe Montana.......Sonny...Johnny U????

Personally not ready to commit to him [Beck] until I see him throw the deep ball competently at this level. Say what you want about Rex, but after doing videos on both now I have to say it's a thing of beauty watching some of the deep throws Rex unleashes against unsuspecting defenses. Beck was more captain checkdown during the preseason but at the same time he did take plenty of shots downfield. Next preseason we'll need him to complete some of those shots, or better yet, during the regular season.

Listen to me, all optimistic about a preaseason even taking place. lulz.

[30gut]

DB59-I used to have those games on DVR'd but I erased them already, so nice work posting.

Quick thoughts on Beck from the Jets game:

o quick, light feet; has very smooth footwork in his drop backs and can set-up and get to a throwing position quickly

o can move a little bit

o has a quick throwing motion and a compact delivery but he has 3/4/side armish throwing motion (which make his release shorter which makes him throw shorter then his height)

Throws I like:
@ 1:36 only a 5-6 yard hitch Roydell Williams vs Cromartie; accurate throw into a tight window but what I liked most was the velocity, the ball got there in a hurry. It shoes he can throw hard when he needs too.

@ 2:18 another velocity throw-from the about the 25 yard line to the goaline on a rope;
this throw is all about arm strength

[NC_Skins]

Thanks Dirtbag for those!! I'd rather have Beck than McNabb any day of the week. Quick release, good mobility and accurate.

[Longtimefan]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

Thanks Dirtbag for those!! I'd rather have Beck than McNabb any day of the week. Quick release, good mobility and accurate.

The kid has some potential. I do have some concerns about his height, at 6' 2" the deficiency will cause problems for him at times. Clear passing lanes will be essential for him in the down field passing game, especially when throwing from the pocket.....really interested in seeing how well he develops if/when he's given the opportunity.