'Occupy' types

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

I figure I wouldn't even have to bother citing who was for military action or bombing Iran since you GOPers should know your own party. Which candidate? All of them save Ron Paul.

How about you assume, when I ask a question that I would like to know the answer to the question asked. As usual, you twist the original question to fit the facts you now find. Originally you asserted:

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

Iran. They want to invade bad.

In response, I asked:

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

Site to me some credible source that some relevant politician or political group wants to invade Iran or is suggesting it is an option.

Now, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt that when I said "invade" you weren't bright enough to pick up from the context that I meant sending ground troops - not bombing or other "military options".

Let me be clear: I assumed that, when you said:

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

It's like they are licking their chops wanting to go balls deep into that country, but understand the public has had it with the war mongering.

you meant boots on the ground invasion. None of the statements you provided suggest to me that any one of the candidates is suggesting a ground invasion of Iran.

As to bombing or other strikes to prevent Iran from gaining a nuclear weapon, it's pretty clear that, at this point, that's where the Republican candidates are (as well as Obama for that matter). Further, I agree with you to the extent that such an option, even if not intended, creates a real possibility of a land war (What happens if one of our planes is shot down and the Iranians are about to execute a US pilot?). It's clear, however, that the concept of Iran with nukes has pretty much most of the west on edge.

Why? I would suggest it is b/c of the jihadist nature of the governing theocracy. You site Israel as having a nuke as a reason to allow Iran's progress to becoming a nuclear power. The difference, I think, is that Israel is a rational state and will not take actions that would lead to the end of its existence as a state. Not so sure the Iranian govt. has those same "thought" processes. The current Iranian regime operates by an agenda not necessarilly governed by a "cost/benefit" analysis. Rather, it is under a authoritarian theocracy that funds/assists and encourages suicide bombers. If you are unconcerned by their gaining the ability to kill millions quickly, then you either one heartless dude or one impassioned zealot.

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

This shit wreaks of how Iraq war started. They pump the fear up into people about WMD (or nukes), and then they come out and say LOOK WE HAVE PROOF OF WMD.....which they invade only to find out nothing is there. Trillions of dollars later, and countless people are dead, nobody is held accountable.

^^the drum beats of war. If you can hear them, then you aren't listening to the mainstream media much.

There are a lot of similarities and it is a concern. I agree and I hope that military intervention is ultimately avoided. Even stripping this last statement of your typical hysteria, logical leaps and hyperbole, however, it is much different assertion than your original statement and accusation that unidentified "far right crew" is seeking to put military ground units into and go "balls deep" in Iran.

So ... Let's get the crux. What do you suggest? Are you comfortable with Iran having a nuclear weapon? Do you believe that they will show the same restraint that other nuclear nations have done? Are certain that, once developed, they would share the technology with like minded jihadists regimes or groups? Do you think that their possesion of nuclear arms creates a more stable or less stable middle east? Once in possesion of such a weapon is it your believe they present no threat to the US or our allies? If a threat is presented to our allies - Israel, Saudi Arabia, what backing can/should we give them? If we w/draw from the mideast altogether: How do we protect our shipping lines from piracy? What effect will it have on our economy?

B/c of our reliance on foreign oil, our economy is hopelessly entangled in the middle east. Throw in the US commitment to Israel, and there just aren't simple answers. I suggest to you, again, that Paul's simplistic foreign policy is just as dangerous and destabilizing to both regional and world peace as are the "war drums" that you are so fanatical about.

[Alvin Walton]

Who are we invading?
Who are we bombing without justification?

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by Alvin Walton

Who are we invading?
Who are we bombing without justification?

Iraq. Lybia. Iran....and possibly soon to be Syria.

[Alvin Walton]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

Iraq. Lybia. Iran....and possibly soon to be Syria.

We're out of Iraq.
Libya I didnt agree with either.
We are not invading or bombing Iran.....thats ridiculous.
Same goes for Syria, not today anyway. I would not be in favor of that either.
I'm fine watching them kill each other off by themselves.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by Alvin Walton

We're out of Iraq.
Libya I didnt agree with either.
We are not invading or bombing Iran.....thats ridiculous.
Same goes for Syria, not today anyway. I would not be in favor of that either.
I'm fine watching them kill each other off by themselves.

Isn't that the truth. I'm thinking if we could just pass out small firearms to everyone over there they would kill each other off in a few years.

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by Alvin Walton

Who are we invading?
Who are we bombing without justification?

Report: Iran nuclear scientist killed in car bomb blast - CNN


I find it ironic that we do the exact same thing that we condemn them for. Target innocent civilians and assassinations.

A scientist is a civilian no matter how much you want to paint him as the bad guy.


Explain to me why Iran shouldn't have a nuclear weapon? Israel has one and they've committed more atrocities over the course of the past decades than Iran has. Let's tally up how many innocent lives they've slaughtered in the Gaza strip trying to take over land.

Pakistan has a nuclear weapon, and they outright support terrorist so why aren't we bombing them? In fact, we were giving them billions of dollars. So how many nuclear weapons have the terrorists acquired from them? None. So what makes you think Iran is any less unstable than Pakistan?

[Alvin Walton]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

Report: Iran nuclear scientist killed in car bomb blast - CNN


I find it ironic that we do the exact same thing that we condemn them for. Target innocent civilians and assassinations.

A scientist is a civilian no matter how much you want to paint him as the bad guy.


Explain to me why Iran shouldn't have a nuclear weapon? Israel has one and they've committed more atrocities over the course of the past decades than Iran has. Let's tally up how many innocent lives they've slaughtered in the Gaza strip trying to take over land.

Pakistan has a nuclear weapon, and they outright support terrorist so why aren't we bombing them? In fact, we were giving them billions of dollars. So how many nuclear weapons have the terrorists acquired from them? None. So what makes you think Iran is any less unstable than Pakistan?

Really trying hard not to laugh here.....

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

Report: Iran nuclear scientist killed in car bomb blast - CNN


I find it ironic that we do the exact same thing that we condemn them for. Target innocent civilians and assassinations.

A scientist is a civilian no matter how much you want to paint him as the bad guy.


Explain to me why Iran shouldn't have a nuclear weapon? Israel has one and they've committed more atrocities over the course of the past decades than Iran has. Let's tally up how many innocent lives they've slaughtered in the Gaza strip trying to take over land.

Pakistan has a nuclear weapon, and they outright support terrorist so why aren't we bombing them? In fact, we were giving them billions of dollars. So how many nuclear weapons have the terrorists acquired from them? None. So what makes you think Iran is any less unstable than Pakistan?

Are you not assuming that we did that? Where are your facts? Is there anything the US does right in your eyes?

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

Report: Iran nuclear scientist killed in car bomb blast - CNN

I find it ironic that we do the exact same thing that we condemn them for. Target innocent civilians and assassinations.

A scientist is a civilian no matter how much you want to paint him as the bad guy.

Explain to me why Iran shouldn't have a nuclear weapon? Israel has one and they've committed more atrocities over the course of the past decades than Iran has. Let's tally up how many innocent lives they've slaughtered in the Gaza strip trying to take over land.

Pakistan has a nuclear weapon, and they outright support terrorist so why aren't we bombing them? In fact, we were giving them billions of dollars. So how many nuclear weapons have the terrorists acquired from them? None. So what makes you think Iran is any less unstable than Pakistan?

Call me stupid, but I don't think Israel or Pakistan would willingly give terrorist nuclear weapons. Trust me, I think our alliance with Israel is one of the reasons we are targets of terrorism. However, I am not going to naively believe that Iran wouldn't use their nukes in the Middle East or even on us.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

Call me stupid, but I don't think Israel or Pakistan would willingly give terrorist nuclear weapons. Trust me, I think our alliance with Israel is one of the reasons we are targets of terrorism. However, I am not going to naively believe that Iran wouldn't use their nukes in the Middle East or even on us.

One of the top reasons.

[That Guy]

iran has 76million people, over twice as many as iraq, so, without a draft, I don't see us having the numbers to make that happen even if someone thought it was a good idea (and I'd argue it isn't).

[JoeRedskin]

Still looking for members of the "far right crew" who are champing at the bit to invade Iran ...

[Hog1]

I contacted WeWhite, Hess and SBF regarding your Iran invasion......They're in!

[Alvin Walton]

The janitor in my building said he's in too.
(has his own .22)

[firstdown]

So is Obama going to invade Iran? Well he is fighting for our freedom!!!