RG3 and Gruden?

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by KI Skins Fan

Trading RGIII is not the answer to the Skins offensive problems. Continuing to work with him to help him get better and putting better players around him might be the answer.

1. Hire a QB coach.

2. Get in FA or trade for:

- A RB who is already a good pass protector. He doesn't need to be a star. We just need to make sure we have someone who can do this well.

- A big TE who is known to be a very good blocker.

- One starter quality OG.

3. Draft the best OT in the entire draft in Round 1.

4. Jay Gruden needs to spend time with Robert one-on-one in a relaxed environment studying film together and getting to know one another better. They need to do a vulcan mind meld so that Robert knows the offense and Jay's offensive philosophy so well that the HC is practically on the field with him. I see no reason why they shouldn't do this. I hear that they practically live across the street from one another. They could do it at one of their homes while their families visit.

I'm sure there are more things that could be done for Robert and the other QB's, but I think the things I listed would be a good start.

This would be "coddling" RG3 even more. Why would he get special treatment over the other QB's? Even if Gruden did this, the other QB's would have to be involved in this "one on one" time.

[Hog1]

Polian is 72. Can probably still get it done........but getting a little long in the tooth

[diehardskin2982]

The new CBA does hinder the relationship and work between Jay Gruden and RG3. I mentioned before that RG should seek a new QB coach that he can work with in the offseason. George Whitfield Jr has worked with both Cam Newton and Andrew Luck.

Gruden should hire a QB coach in the offseason. Like many first time HC's he took on too many responsibilities IMO. He should seek tot hire a coach that can help develop the QB's full time. I'd suggest Doug Williams, he has been a head coach for years at Grambling and knows how to play the role.

The number one priority should be to address the line in the offseason. I said before Mike Iupati should be free agent target number 1. I also think that if you want to fix RG3 get a vet QB to hold down the starting spot while he learns the position.

[over the mountain]

at the time of accepting the job and all that guaranteed cash money, i dont think gruden ever suspected RG3 would be this far behind at the basics of being an NFL qb.

[KI Skins Fan]

Originally Posted by over the mountain

at the time of accepting the job and all that guaranteed cash money, i dont think gruden ever suspected RG3 would be this far behind at the basics of being an NFL qb.

As I said before, that's just tough shit for him, isn't it?

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by KI Skins Fan

As I said before, that's just tough shit for him, isn't it?

Lol. Thats alittle harsh. Its tough shit for Griff really. I mean I think we are all surprised by his ineffectiveness. All last year we were giving him a pass on the mechanics. Thinking it was due to the injury. What is the excuse now?

[KI Skins Fan]

Originally Posted by punch it in

Lol. Thats alittle harsh. Its tough shit for Griff really. I mean I think we are all surprised by his ineffectiveness. All last year we were giving him a pass on the mechanics. Thinking it was due to the injury. What is the excuse now?

They have to work together to make Griffin a better QB. It's not about excuses; it's about moving forward together. I think they need to give it one more year together. Then we'll see where we are with Griffin.

If I say that Gruden needs to work with Griffin longer rather than trying to write him off so quickly, that doesn't mean that Griffin is off the hook. In fact, Griffin must do most of the work, by far.

Gruden is the HC. When I say he needs to do more to try to develop RGIII, I mean that he is responsible for getting it done. That doesn't mean that he does all or even anywhere near all the hands-on work himself. He has an OC to whom he can delegate part of the work and he needs to get smart and hire a QB coach to do part of the work, as well.

Holding an NFL Head Coach's feet to the fire is not harsh, it's business. When I faced difficult problems as a young business manager, my boss often just told me to "Fix it!". That was fair. I signed up for it. I could do it. It was just hard to do.

That pithy message from above should apply to Gruden, as well. I believe that part of what he signed up for was to fix RGIII. So now, I'm simply saying that he should do his job, even if it's harder than he thought it would be, and "Fix him!".

[Rotten1980]

It says volumes about the trash caliber of this coaching staff that franchises around the league, division rivals especially, continue to state publicly 1) the talent they see in RG 2) the hope/desire they somehow land him.

I mean contrast is just startling. Gruden schemes and calls plays that maximize his teams weaknesses and minimizes strengths, and then goes on to talk shit about the franchise QB. Meanwhile the competition knows what we have and can't wait to get their hands on it.

How anybody is defending Gruden at this point just floors me. I thought he seemed like a solid guy, just not HC material. Now he looks like a moron and an asshole.

[VTSkins1961]

I agree. good coaches will change the scheme to their players strength's until he can get them coached up or replaced and not through players under the bus

Originally Posted by Rotten1980

It says volumes about the trash caliber of this coaching staff that franchises around the league, division rivals especially, continue to state publicly 1) the talent they see in RG 2) the hope/desire they somehow land him.

I mean contrast is just startling. Gruden schemes and calls plays that maximize his teams weaknesses and minimizes strengths, and then goes on to talk shit about the franchise QB. Meanwhile the competition knows what we have and can't wait to get their hands on it.

How anybody is defending Gruden at this point just floors me. I thought he seemed like a solid guy, just not HC material. Now he looks like a moron and an asshole.

[mooby]

Originally Posted by Rotten1980

It says volumes about the trash caliber of this coaching staff that franchises around the league, division rivals especially, continue to state publicly 1) the talent they see in RG 2) the hope/desire they somehow land him.

Who's saying that though? I have yet to see any division rivals, or any team for that matter, say that they have hope/desire to land RG3. Sure they might say he's talented, but when has an NFL team ever come out and said a player is not talented enough to play in the NFL? That's bad for business. Also if your example is Bill Polian, I need more than that. One guy (who's pretty much a talking head at this point in his career) saying the rest of our team sucks is not a ringing endorsement of his talents.

[DYoungJelly]

Originally Posted by Rotten1980

It says volumes about the trash caliber of this coaching staff that franchises around the league, division rivals especially, continue to state publicly 1) the talent they see in RG 2) the hope/desire they somehow land him.

I mean contrast is just startling. Gruden schemes and calls plays that maximize his teams weaknesses and minimizes strengths, and then goes on to talk shit about the franchise QB. Meanwhile the competition knows what we have and can't wait to get their hands on it.

How anybody is defending Gruden at this point just floors me. I thought he seemed like a solid guy, just not HC material. Now he looks like a moron and an asshole.

That is the cheapest statement in the NFL this week because there is no skin in the game.

What is the trade value right now to the eagles or anybody else for our "franchise" qb?

5th or 6th round?

Can't wait for the mega trade offers to roll in after the season. (This is a sarcastic statement because his current trade value is nil.)

The only person who can fix Griffin right now is Griffin. I sincerely hope he realizes he needs fixing. Would love for him to spend every waking hour between now and next camp learning the position the offense, the basic concepts that a third year professional football quarterback should know.

Would love for him to come in next year and earn a franchise tag for 16. It's on him.

[Rotten1980]

Sorry man I was being lazy. There's a few articles with Chip Kelly saying he'd love to have RG in philly. Before that Jones in Dallas.

But my point is really about what we're witnessing here. The coaching might be the worst I've ever seen in pro football. A few are coming to the only logical explanation Gruden is trying to get fired.

[Bucket]

Originally Posted by Rotten1980

Sorry man I was being lazy. There's a few articles with Chip Kelly saying he'd love to have RG in philly. Before that Jones in Dallas.

But my point is really about what we're witnessing here. The coaching might be the worst I've ever seen in pro football. A few are coming to the only logical explanation Gruden is trying to get fired.

They never said that.. I saw those articles

Jones aid RG3 is athletically gifted. It's called praise and not putting any bulletin board talk up.

Nobody would trade anymore than a 5th for RG3 right now

[BaltimoreSkins]

I have not heard many people singing Robert's praises lately in fact just the opposite. Also why is the term "coached up" being thrown around? I would settle for them just being coached to their ability then I'll worry about overachieving.

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by BaltimoreSkins

I have not heard many people singing Robert's praises lately in fact just the opposite. Also why is the term "coached up" being thrown around? I would settle for them just being coached to their ability then I'll worry about overachieving.

The key words there are "their ability". Im afraid this roster is lacking in that area. You are seeing what their ability is. Shanahan built his team and after 4 years they were a 3-13 team. Gruden simply inherited this team. I would like to believe that another offseason can change things, but is he going to be subject to another round of snyder and allen killing a draft?