2011 NFL Draft

[CultBrennan59]

Originally Posted by celts32

Not necessarily...I am in favor of getting the guy they want by whatever means necessary. If Shanny & Allen think that it's a weak class then obviously I don't want them to use a high pick on one. It's literally been almost 30 years since the Redskins have had what most would consider a franchise QB and in this league more then ever you need one to win. So I am not that concerned if we come out of this draft with a WR or a LB because the best WR or LB in the league is not going to make the Redskins a Super bowl contender until they find a QB.

Also...I heard Kiper today call this QB class a strong one not a relatively weak one.

I think five years from now from this class the QB's who will be good in the NFL are:
Mallett
Stanzi
McElroy

Decent QB's with one great season, but up and down other seasons:
Cam Newton

Nobodies/ out of the league in a few years:
Ponder
Locker
Gabbert
Dalton

[celts32]

Originally Posted by CultBrennan59

I think five years from now from this class the QB's who will be good in the NFL are:
Mallett
Stanzi
McElroy

Decent QB's with one great season, but up and down other seasons:
Cam Newton

Nobodies/ out of the league in a few years:
Ponder
Locker
Gabbert
Dalton

I have no idea which ones will be good...I like some personally better then others but i don't really know. My point is only that if Shanny sees a guy in this draft that HE thinks can be his franchise QB then i want them to be aggressive about getting him. Don't sit back and hope...make it happen.

[MTK]

A strong QB class??

I think there's some value later on, but the top guys are sketchy.

[celts32]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

A strong QB class??

I think there's some value later on, but the top guys are sketchy.

Well what he said is that QB has a chance to be good...but he didn't list it as weak and when he was thinking of strengths it was one of the 1st he mentioned.

Chat: Chat with Mel Kiper - SportsNation - ESPN

Where are the strengths and weaknesses in this draft and how does it stack up compared to previous drafts?

Mel Kiper (1:16 PM)


The weaknesses are easy: TE, ILB, S. The strong spots, I think QB has a chance to be good. FB can be good: Henry Hynoski, Pitt; Anthony Sherman, UConn; Owen Merecic, Stanford. WR is not bad. Not much in the first round. Edmund Gates from Abiliene Christian is moving up. The OG/C combo types, lots of those. The DL is clearly the strength of the draft, along with some underrated CBs.

[juskins]

I can't believe some of you value what Mel Kiper has to offer. When has he ever been right?

I guess its all about being bored with the off-season and you are willing to discuss any and every comment by whomever.

[SmootSmack]

Well he was right last year, and percentage wise he's generally more right than other draft experts.

That said, I really doubt his final mock has us taking Jones

[mauiRedskinbarn]

As you look around the league you see a lot of starting QB's without age on their side. Their are a lot of QB's who are over 30, whose window is closing fast, and probably won't be playing at an elite level, or playing at all, in 3-4 years.

Starting QB's over 30 include: Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, Matt Hasslebeck, Brett Farve, Donovan McNabb, Matt Schuab, Carson Palmer, Drew Brees, David Garrard, Michael Vick, and you probably could include Ben Rothlisberger to this list from the beating he consistently takes, etc.

Then there's QB's, who we almost know for certain, that probably won't be starting at QB three years from now: Chad Henne, Vince Young, Derrick Anderson, Matt Moore/Jimmey Clausen,

All of the QB's i listed started last year as the starting QB for their team. these teams are probably gonna have a completely different QB in a few years.

The last few years there have been only about 2 decent starting QB's that come out of the draft, Last year there was only 1. The amount of young good QB's in this league are at a minimum.

My point is there are gonna be a lot of starting QB jobs to fill in the coming years, and this years class has quite a few prospects. I'm not saying there are gonna be a lot of good ones, but in three years there will probably be 5 starting QB's from this class.

whether this years class is strong at the QB position or not, there will be a lot of future NFL QB jobs open in 3-4 years. And i'm pretty sure a lot of those jobs will be occupied by the 2011 class

[diehard]

If the G/C positions are deep, that'll increase the chances of improving the OL in the later rounds. Again, this team has so many holes, drafting the best player available with each selection will pay off in the long run.

[skinsfaninok]

Von Miller wants to be a Cowboy, so I've lost my want in drafting him !

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

Von Miller wants to be a Cowboy, so I've lost my want in drafting him !

Agreed. WTF is up with that dude.

[MTK]

Actually I'd love to draft Miller even more now just so he'd have to face his fav team twice a year.

[Ruhskins]

Here's Matt Bowen's latest mock draft...

The Player's top ten mock draft | National Football Post

Sidenote: I am really enjoying reading Matt Bowen's work on NFP and following on Twitter.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

Here's Matt Bowen's latest mock draft...

The Player's top ten mock draft | National Football Post

Sidenote: I am really enjoying reading Matt Bowen's work on NFP and following on Twitter.

Yeah his stuff is pretty good, I really like his articles on schemes and breaking down plays.

I wouldn't hate grabbing Quinn at #10 at all.

[Monkeydad]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

Here's Matt Bowen's latest mock draft...

The Player's top ten mock draft | National Football Post

Sidenote: I am really enjoying reading Matt Bowen's work on NFP and following on Twitter.

No O-linemen until #19? I can't see that happening.

He has Pittsburgh taking Pouncey too.

[Dirtbag59]

I will say this. The QB class is ALWAYS weak. We need to get used to it. In fact in retrospect it's usually the guy that no one expected to be succeed that ends up being the bell of the ball.

Some perspective.

The weakest class in recent memory was 2000, where Chad Pennington was the top ranked QB. He was picked 17th overall yet when healthy was among the leagues top QB's including a season where he led the 1-15 Dolphins to 11-5.

In 2005 people also labeled the QB class as weak. The only reason Alex Smith was picked number one overall was because San Fran was desperate to do something at the QB position. Aaron Rodgers then proceeded to drop to the 24th spot. "Teams must have passed him up for a reason." Turns out the reason was that no one knew how to evaluate QB's that year except Green Bay.

Few people thought Matt Ryan was that great of a pick. His college stats were underwhelming and he was labeled as having accuracy issues. Everyone knows you build in the trenches and the Falcons were foolishly passing on Glenn Dorsey. Ryan was going to a team that gave up over 50 sacks the year before. He is now the only QB in franchise history to lead the Falcons to back to back winning seasons.

On draft day most of you thought that Joe Flacco would take years to "develop" and why not, he came from a shotgun spread attack at an FCS school. Today is among the most highly respected young QB's in the game.

Josh Freeman. What a wasted pick right? Tampa was drafting Jason Campbell 2.0. Look at this guy. Best season is 20 TD's and 8 Ints. Never led his team to anything big. Career completion percentage under 60%. Man terrible pick. "Oh but his arm is strong." Big whoop. He'll be a bust.

2004 was a strong class, but that was if you were in position to get Rivers or Manning. The Steelers got the left overs in Big Ben, who has gone on to be the most prestigious QB of the class.

2006. Well as long as you could get Young or Leinart you were able to talk about how strong the class was as you had two remarkable college QB's. One with outrageous physical talent that was able to show clutch on college football's biggest stage. And another who played in a pro style offense for a national championship team. But wait, now those two are off the board? Is the class still strong? All I see is Jay Cutler? He played at Vanderbilt, and wasn't able to do much stat wise. He has a strong arm but how many times have we've seen that mean nothing?

People please repeat it with me. "THE QB CLASS IS NEVER STRONG ON DRAFT DAY." Scouts poke and prod these guys left and right and find virtually every reason why they won't succeed. The fact of the matter is we have no idea how most of them will turn out. If we had drafted most of the above guys on draft day (particularly guys like Freeman or Flacco) most of you would have had a cow.

Forget the strong class concept. We're not building a QB stable. We need one guy to throw the ball. That's it. No one is running a two or three QB offense. If we find that guy that can give us stability at the games most important position we have to take him, even if it means taking the rest of you kicking and screaming.

Next years class is always stronger then this years class when it comes speculation. It's the new Vet min. The funny thing is the guys that people are looking at next year when labeling a class are the guys we're never in position to draft (*read Andrew Luck*).

*End Rant*