Redskins v. Dolphins Gameday Thread

calia · 11-13-2011, 05:15 PM

As much as I would like to hope that next year's Skins will be this year's 49ers, there are two reasons why I suspect that this will not be the case. First, the 49ers showed some signs of life at the end of last year with their team playing better as the season wore on. It is the mark of a team headed in the right direction. This year (and I realize that we have a bunch of games left), it is hard to imagine this group being competitive here on our, much less win a game or two. 9 points against the Dolphins? 1 TD in 3 weeks? Pathetic by any measure. Second, while I might agree that we have a nucleus of talent, we do not appear to have any leadership on this team, save for London Fletcher on D. The 49ers have a pretty firey coach -- like him or not, he has his team believing that they can win every week. I don't think Shanahan is a bad coach, but in a league of "what have you done for me lately," one has to think back a long way before you can point to a real accomplishment.

Last year, we struggled to 6-10. This year, it seems like there's a likelihood that we will actually do worse than that (it seems very unlikely that we can tie last season's record). It isn't as though we can look to real stud players that we've lost since Shanahan took over; if anything, folks would likely agree that the roster has made modest improvements (it's at least younger). But there's precious little to show for it. And that does not suggest that we're on the right track here.

Sorry to be doom and gloom. I have been a fan since about 1973 or so. But this franchise is starting to feel cursed. It's been 20 years since the Redskins were relevant on a regular basis. That is a long, long time.

What's crazy is that teams that have been bottom dwellers for years -- the Lions, Bengals, 49ers, Bills -- are stepping up and playing well this season (for the most part). Of those teams, I suspect that the Lions and 49ers will actually be able to sustain it, and perhaps the Bengals as well (unsure about the Bills). It seems like for the Redskins, being good is always just out of reach. It's like Alice in Wonderland: jam yesterday and jam tomorrow, but never jam today.

Just once -- once -- I would like to see this team go out and just want to kick the crap out of another team. The O-line to play mean and to beg to smash the ball down the throats of an opponent, and for the D to hope that the offense scores quickly so they can go out on the field and pummel someone. I just don't see our guys with that attitude. It has been about 2 decades since we've seen that.

Sad that we're all focused on next year and it is before Thanksgiving.

mbedner3420 · 11-13-2011, 04:40 PM

Any word on hanks injury?

redskins5044 · 11-13-2011, 04:41 PM

i guess it could be worse, could be the Eagles who are 3-6 too.

SmootSmack · 11-13-2011, 05:25 PM

Remember when everyone thought that the media (particularly Cowherd) was all "hatting" on the Redskins for 3-13...

Anyhow, I think we have many of the right pieces in place. Just not the most important one

Interesting how Balmer and Anderson were active and saw playing time so quickly after being signed.

CultBrennan59 · 11-13-2011, 05:53 PM

I've said it before and I'll say it again. We have a very good chance at getting Andrew Luck, without having the first overall pick

I can easily see the 2004 draft all over again.

redskins5044 · 11-13-2011, 05:56 PM

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Originally Posted by CultBrennan59

I've said it before and I'll say it again. We have a very good chance at getting Andrew Luck, without having the first overall pick

I can easily see the 2004 draft all over again.

yeah if we trade up to get him.

NC_Skins · 11-13-2011, 06:12 PM

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Originally Posted by CultBrennan59

I've said it before and I'll say it again. We have a very good chance at getting Andrew Luck, without having the first overall pick

I can easily see the 2004 draft all over again.

Nobody that gets the #1 spot is going to trade it away. It doesn't matter if the Colts do get it, they are going to select Luck and prepare him for the future. I would and they'd be stupid not to. You don't know how Manning's health is going to pan out, and you've seen how important the QB spot is now. Nobody has a shot in hell at trading for Luck. I think there is a better chance in Israel and Iran becoming allies than anybody getting a trade for Luck.

mooby · 11-13-2011, 06:21 PM

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Originally Posted by NC_Skins

Nobody that gets the #1 spot is going to trade it away. It doesn't matter if the Colts do get it, they are going to select Luck and prepare him for the future. I would and they'd be stupid not to. You don't know how Manning's health is going to pan out, and you've seen how important the QB spot is now. Nobody has a shot in hell at trading for Luck. I think there is a better chance in Israel and Iran becoming allies than anybody getting a trade for Luck.

Never say never man. I'm not gonna start getting hyped up about potential qb's until the season is over and the draft rankings have been solidified.

Ruhskins · 11-13-2011, 06:27 PM

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Originally Posted by NC_Skins

Nobody that gets the #1 spot is going to trade it away. It doesn't matter if the Colts do get it, they are going to select Luck and prepare him for the future. I would and they'd be stupid not to. You don't know how Manning's health is going to pan out, and you've seen how important the QB spot is now. Nobody has a shot in hell at trading for Luck. I think there is a better chance in Israel and Iran becoming allies than anybody getting a trade for Luck.

With the rookie wage scale, it is easier now for teams to keep the #1 overall. Although the Colts FO already made a huge gaffe by giving Manning a ton of money with a questionable neck, so you never know if they'll make another mistake.

NC_Skins · 11-13-2011, 06:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Ruhskins

With the rookie wage scale, it is easier now for teams to keep the #1 overall. Although the Colts FO already made a huge gaffe by giving Manning a ton of money with a questionable neck, so you never know if they'll make another mistake.

I think that contract was more of a past performance pay as well. Also, Manning had the team put in a opt out clause in case his health was a issue and it would save the team money. Polian is one of the best in the business, and I expect him to continue being so.

I will say this. I think there will be several good QBs we can make our franchise QB in the upcoming draft so I don't believe it's a "Luck or nothing" type of deal.

Ruhskins · 11-13-2011, 06:47 PM

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Originally Posted by NC_Skins

I think that contract was more of a past performance pay as well. Also, Manning had the team put in a opt out clause in case his health was a issue and it would save the team money. Polian is one of the best in the business, and I expect him to continue being so.

I will say this. I think there will be several good QBs we can make our franchise QB in the upcoming draft so I don't believe it's a "Luck or nothing" type of deal.

Good points. And yes, Luck is not the end all and be all, we need a lot of help.

WaldSkins · 11-13-2011, 06:22 PM

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Originally Posted by CultBrennan59

I've said it before and I'll say it again. We have a very good chance at getting Andrew Luck, without having the first overall pick

I can easily see the 2004 draft all over again.

Theres no way luck doesnt go number 1

CultBrennan59 · 11-13-2011, 06:53 PM

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Originally Posted by WaldSkins

Theres no way luck doesnt go number 1

I'm saying if we have the #4 overall pick, we trade for the #1. I'm pretty sure the colts would take it and be satisfied with a Barkley or Landry Jones. (I don't care for either though.)

NC_Skins · 11-13-2011, 07:14 PM

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Originally Posted by CultBrennan59

I'm saying if we have the #4 overall pick, we trade for the #1. I'm pretty sure the colts would take it and be satisfied with a Barkley or Landry Jones. (I don't care for either though.)

Considering they had that very same option back when they drafted Manning (Leaf), I doubt they do anything different this time either.

Lotus · 11-13-2011, 07:56 PM

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Originally Posted by CultBrennan59

I'm saying if we have the #4 overall pick, we trade for the #1. I'm pretty sure the colts would take it and be satisfied with a Barkley or Landry Jones. (I don't care for either though.)

Why is it that the Colts would be satisfied with Barkley or Jones but we would be so dissatisfied with them that we would want to trade up? Do we have much more discerning taste than the Colts?

I think it is reasonable instead to believe that the Colts would want Luck as badly as we do. Both teams need their QB of the future.

11-13-2011, 04:40 PM	#2
mbedner3420 The Starter Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 1,900	Re: Redskins v. Dolphins Gameday Thread Any word on hanks injury?

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redskins5044 Playmaker Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Schertz, Tx Age: 46 Posts: 3,224	Re: Redskins v. Dolphins Gameday Thread i guess it could be worse, could be the Eagles who are 3-6 too.

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CultBrennan59 Pro Bowl Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 6,526	Re: Redskins v. Dolphins Gameday Thread I've said it before and I'll say it again. We have a very good chance at getting Andrew Luck, without having the first overall pick I can easily see the 2004 draft all over again. __________________ "Anyones better than Madieu Williams"

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11-13-2011, 05:15 PM	#1
calia Playmaker Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Woodside, CA Age: 58 Posts: 4,028	Re: Redskins v. Dolphins Gameday Thread As much as I would like to hope that next year's Skins will be this year's 49ers, there are two reasons why I suspect that this will not be the case. First, the 49ers showed some signs of life at the end of last year with their team playing better as the season wore on. It is the mark of a team headed in the right direction. This year (and I realize that we have a bunch of games left), it is hard to imagine this group being competitive here on our, much less win a game or two. 9 points against the Dolphins? 1 TD in 3 weeks? Pathetic by any measure. Second, while I might agree that we have a nucleus of talent, we do not appear to have any leadership on this team, save for London Fletcher on D. The 49ers have a pretty firey coach -- like him or not, he has his team believing that they can win every week. I don't think Shanahan is a bad coach, but in a league of "what have you done for me lately," one has to think back a long way before you can point to a real accomplishment. Last year, we struggled to 6-10. This year, it seems like there's a likelihood that we will actually do worse than that (it seems very unlikely that we can tie last season's record). It isn't as though we can look to real stud players that we've lost since Shanahan took over; if anything, folks would likely agree that the roster has made modest improvements (it's at least younger). But there's precious little to show for it. And that does not suggest that we're on the right track here. Sorry to be doom and gloom. I have been a fan since about 1973 or so. But this franchise is starting to feel cursed. It's been 20 years since the Redskins were relevant on a regular basis. That is a long, long time. What's crazy is that teams that have been bottom dwellers for years -- the Lions, Bengals, 49ers, Bills -- are stepping up and playing well this season (for the most part). Of those teams, I suspect that the Lions and 49ers will actually be able to sustain it, and perhaps the Bengals as well (unsure about the Bills). It seems like for the Redskins, being good is always just out of reach. It's like Alice in Wonderland: jam yesterday and jam tomorrow, but never jam today. Just once -- once -- I would like to see this team go out and just want to kick the crap out of another team. The O-line to play mean and to beg to smash the ball down the throats of an opponent, and for the D to hope that the offense scores quickly so they can go out on the field and pummel someone. I just don't see our guys with that attitude. It has been about 2 decades since we've seen that. Sad that we're all focused on next year and it is before Thanksgiving.

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SmootSmack Uncle Phil Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 45,256	Re: Redskins v. Dolphins Gameday Thread Remember when everyone thought that the media (particularly Cowherd) was all "hatting" on the Redskins for 3-13... Anyhow, I think we have many of the right pieces in place. Just not the most important one Interesting how Balmer and Anderson were active and saw playing time so quickly after being signed. __________________ You're So Vain...You Probably Think This Sig Is About You

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