Redskins, Cowboys could go “nuclear” over cap mess

[HoopheadVII]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

Well this I agree with, but it had seemed like you were saying that the arbitrator could not overrule the league.

I was saying that even if they win in arbitration, they're in trouble in the long run if the Commissioner and 29 owners want them punished.

[SBXVII]

It's Good That The NFL Is Punishing Washington And Dallas For Breaking No Rules

His last comment is exactly how I feel now.

[HoopheadVII]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

It's Good That The NFL Is Punishing Washington And Dallas For Breaking No Rules

His last comment is exactly how I feel now.

I like the sentiment, and I love the NFL getting hammered in the press over this, but that's a lazy article written by someone who hasn't bothered to actually look at the details of the case before writing something sensationalistic.

That said, more hammering the NFL in print over this, please.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by HoopheadVII

You would hope so, but I got nervous when I saw the 29-0-1 vote with Snyder and Jones out of the room.

Frankly, I thought we'd definitely win until I saw that.

I don't think the 29 vote count should reflect as strongly as you are giving it. First only 6 owners would need to be swayed on any future issue, pretty sure that JJ and DS could sway a few if they really wanted to. Second, this was an after the fact vote where every voter had something to gain-extra cap space. Third, the league needed a strong vote to go before the arbitrator, and there was no compelling reason to vote against it since arbitration papers were already filed.

Bottomline 6 votes is not an impossible hurdle if blatant misuse is being applied by the commissioner or exec committee.

[Evilgrin]

I didn't think the vote count would be different. It'll be interesting to watch this play out. The skins and cowboys have tons of cards to play, but there is definitely risk.

[skinsguy]

Why would anybody put any credence in this vote? LOL! What did you expect them to do? No sir, we don't want an extra mill on our salary cap.....HAHAHAHA.....

[ethat001]

Since this is a Skins message board and we're all skins fans, we're pretty upset about the cap penalty. I think the penalty was vindictive, poorly timed and doesn't make any sense with the uncapped year. Hope the arbitration rules in our favor.

BUT - I want to make sure we all realize that we actually cheated, and Gooddell is technically right.

They apparently had a gentleman's agreement between owners (even if it was illegal) -- and we pulled a NY Yankees move and just outspent the other teams in the uncapped year. We bought up Haynesworth/Hall's contract so we could GAIN AN ADVANTAGE. I mean, I'm happy if it works because I'd be glad we're a better team -- but frankly speaking, any free agents we obtain would be because we outspent every other team in an era where you're not supposed to do that. We had to spend more to compete, to make up for front office ineptitude and crazy ownership.


Don't get me wrong -- I love it, want to be a good team. But at the same time, cheating to get there.. well, I'll let this one slide.

[FRPLG]

Originally Posted by ethat001

Since this is a Skins message board and we're all skins fans, we're pretty upset about the cap penalty. I think the penalty was vindictive, poorly timed and doesn't make any sense with the uncapped year. Hope the arbitration rules in our favor.

BUT - I want to make sure we all realize that we actually cheated, and Gooddell is technically right.

They apparently had a gentleman's agreement between owners (even if it was illegal) -- and we pulled a NY Yankees move and just outspent the other teams in the uncapped year. We bought up Haynesworth/Hall's contract so we could GAIN AN ADVANTAGE. I mean, I'm happy if it works because I'd be glad we're a better team -- but frankly speaking, any free agents we obtain would be because we outspent every other team in an era where you're not supposed to do that. We had to spend more to compete, to make up for front office ineptitude and crazy ownership.


Don't get me wrong -- I love it, want to be a good team. But at the same time, cheating to get there.. well, I'll let this one slide.

?????????
I think there is at least one thing that EVERYONE, even the NFL, agrees with. We broke no rules. You have a skewed view of the world if you think failing to engage in collusion constitutes cheating. That is some craziness.

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by ethat001

Since this is a Skins message board and we're all skins fans, we're pretty upset about the cap penalty. I think the penalty was vindictive, poorly timed and doesn't make any sense with the uncapped year. Hope the arbitration rules in our favor.

BUT - I want to make sure we all realize that we actually cheated, and Gooddell is technically right.

They apparently had a gentleman's agreement between owners (even if it was illegal) -- and we pulled a NY Yankees move and just outspent the other teams in the uncapped year. We bought up Haynesworth/Hall's contract so we could GAIN AN ADVANTAGE. I mean, I'm happy if it works because I'd be glad we're a better team -- but frankly speaking, any free agents we obtain would be because we outspent every other team in an era where you're not supposed to do that. We had to spend more to compete, to make up for front office ineptitude and crazy ownership.


Don't get me wrong -- I love it, want to be a good team. But at the same time, cheating to get there.. well, I'll let this one slide.

and I disagree here. If this was a normal year and rules in place then yes we cheated. In this case I don't see it. were we sneaky? yes. did we play a card that left the league with their hands tied? yes. but thats DS and JJ. They knew that by doing it the league would not deny the deals cause it would show the league was colluding. My problem is the league had a choice at the time..

1- deny the deals, and face the music you colluded.
or
2- sign off on the deals, and remember who you can trust and not trust.

You don't agree to the deals because it serves you best at the time then later when it's convenient you decide to enforce a punishment.

[PWNED]

hows this cheating again? explain.

immoral? maybe, but how many others did something similar?

illegal? no. and thats the bottom line bitches.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by ethat001

Since this is a Skins message board and we're all skins fans, we're pretty upset about the cap penalty. I think the penalty was vindictive, poorly timed and doesn't make any sense with the uncapped year. Hope the arbitration rules in our favor.

BUT - I want to make sure we all realize that we actually cheated, and Gooddell is technically right.

They apparently had a gentleman's agreement between owners (even if it was illegal) -- and we pulled a NY Yankees move and just outspent the other teams in the uncapped year. We bought up Haynesworth/Hall's contract so we could GAIN AN ADVANTAGE. I mean, I'm happy if it works because I'd be glad we're a better team -- but frankly speaking, any free agents we obtain would be because we outspent every other team in an era where you're not supposed to do that. We had to spend more to compete, to make up for front office ineptitude and crazy ownership.


Don't get me wrong -- I love it, want to be a good team. But at the same time, cheating to get there.. well, I'll let this one slide.

No we didn't cheat and Goodell/Mara is/are technically wrong. No one knows what was said but if we had agreed there wouldn't have been multiple warnings. My guess is we said, if it goes uncapped we will be doing everything possible to fix the bad deals the previous FO structured, but we will abide by all written rules. That is not cheating in any sense of the word.

[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

No we didn't cheat and Goodell/Mara is/are technically wrong. No one knows what was said but if we had agreed there wouldn't have been multiple warnings. My guess is we said, if it goes uncapped we will be doing everything possible to fix the bad deals the previous FO structured, but we will abide by all written rules. That is not cheating in any sense of the word.

Exactly! The rules stated 2010 was an uncapped year. There was no cheating done by the Redskins. A gentlemen's agreement means absolutely nothing.

[PWNED]

a loophole is a loophole whether its morally right or wrong.

people can look sideways at you for morals, but no one can put you in jail for it.

[Monksdown]

Originally Posted by PWNED

a loophole is a loophole whether its morally right or wrong.

people can look sideways at you for morals, but no one can put you in jail for it.

Friends can count on your word. Colleagues should count on written contracts. If they didnt write it down, there was a reason(illegal).

We're being punished for not doing something illegal.

[PWNED]

right, its kind of like saying, "sure im not going to hit on your ex" but then you do and its like "aw im soooo mad at you, grrrr" but guess what? nobody is getting punished except for a few bad feelings.

thats how this SHOULD work out.