2012 Presidential Election (free for all edition)

[saden1]

My Kung-fu is too strong NC because I have this guy on my roster:

[MTK]

Yeah I don't think he was talking directly to DB59. Even if he was who knows, he could have been a lurker before signing up.

[Chico23231]

Rand Paul’s message to Republican convention: ‘Audit the Pentagon’ | The Ticket - Yahoo! News

Agree Agree Agree. Rand Paul doesnt say too many intelligent things, but Im glad someone has the balls to state the obvious to GOP. Its amazingly poor that our government doesnt audit one of the top money spenders of my tax dollar. Its a disgrace a party says "more spending accountability" and then turns a blind eye to the military.

Bravo Rand.

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

Rand Paul’s message to Republican convention: ‘Audit the Pentagon’ | The Ticket - Yahoo! News

Agree Agree Agree. Rand Paul doesnt say too many intelligent things, but Im glad someone has the balls to state the obvious to GOP. Its amazingly poor that our government doesnt audit one of the top money spenders of my tax dollar. Its a disgrace a party says "more spending accountability" and then turns a blind eye to the military.

Bravo Rand.

Thats been their biggest problem. It's like Republicans are all about cutting spending until theres someone to shoot though I can kind of understand why. If you're going to send someone to fight and risk their life for their country you can't really go around and pinch pennies. Then again if you stop trying to police the world and focus on homeland defense instead you don't have to worry about spending nor American soliders dying overseas.

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag59

Thats been their biggest problem. It's like Republicans are all about cutting spending until theres someone to shoot though I can kind of understand why. If you're going to send someone to fight and risk their life for their country you can't really go around and pinch pennies. Then again if you stop trying to police the world and focus on homeland defense instead you don't have to worry about spending nor American soliders dying overseas.

Agree with you and Chico, Pentagon must be accountable....lots of fraud, waste, abuse over there too.

That being said, it's not a matter of just gutting weapons systems or R & D, it's about making the force more lethal, not being the World Police, and not fighting politically correct wars. Increase the use of intelligent technologies that reduce the risk to personnel (Drones, directed-energy, etc.), before kids are sent into battlezones make sure the cause is worth any amount of political fall-out or complaints from other countries (Lemay doctrine), stop being a PC military.

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Saw 2016 this weekend, definitely worth the 90 minutes. I stay up on politics but I learned some things I didn't know before. It's not a "right-wing attack piece" but examines Obama's background and attempts to understand/explain the formation of his politicial views from his childhood to young adulthood.

Before lefties just trash it, I challenge anyone on the left to point out a single factual inaccuracy in the film.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

Rand Paul’s message to Republican convention: ‘Audit the Pentagon’ | The Ticket - Yahoo! News

Agree Agree Agree. Rand Paul doesnt say too many intelligent things, but Im glad someone has the balls to state the obvious to GOP. Its amazingly poor that our government doesnt audit one of the top money spenders of my tax dollar. Its a disgrace a party says "more spending accountability" and then turns a blind eye to the military.

Bravo Rand.

Well if its so obvious why doesn't the current president audit the pentagon? After all he is the president and suppose to be running the show. I think we would both agree there is way too much waste in all levels of gov.

[Chico23231]

I just think right now in our specific, very critical economic situation, auditing and pro active budgeting is not too much to ask from any local, state, and especially federal departments which is funded by the tax dollar. Our tax spending is out of control, and i think its really been understated in the last several years.

[12thMan]

SlinginSammy, but the fundamental questions remains..Obama's been in public office for what over 15 years now. What in his legislative record suggests that he's outside of mainstream political thought?

Thoughts on the movie aside, isn't it fair to say that voters have enough information, one way or another, based on his last four years as president?

Additionally, this has to be first time ever a featured doc/film has been released about a sitting incumbent less than 80 days from election day, no? I would think the prudent voter would approach this film with some healthy skepticism. Not attacking the film, just odd to release it so close to election day.

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

SlinginSammy, but the fundamental questions remains..Obama's been in public office for what over 15 years now. What in his legislative record suggests that he's outside of mainstream political thought?

Thoughts on the movie aside, isn't it fair to say that voters have enough information, one way or another, based on his last four years as president?

Additionally, this has to be first time ever a featured doc/film has been released about a sitting incumbent less than 80 days from election day, no? I would think the prudent voter would approach this film with some healthy skepticism. Not attacking the film, just odd to release it so close to election day.

Outside of conservative authors/investigators, Obama was never truly scrutinized by the mainstream media, certainly not during his quick rise (due to the "departure" of opponents) in the IL Senate, nor during his Senate run where his opponent was dumped by a sex scandal, and not during 2008 as the mainstream media was in his corner and anyone bringing up Rev. Wright, Bill Ayers, etc. was immediately slammed as a racist.

I would say voters who go looking for info on Obama can find it, but the mainstream media has certainly done it's best to keep negative info on Obama off its airwaves/websites. And still anyone bringing up information on Obama's political upbringing is labeled as "extreme" or "racist", just look at the coverage of DD surround his book and the movie. All the while CBS, ABC, CNN run pieces on the Mormon faith to put it in a bad light, while no one looks at the real philosophy behind Rev. Wright's beliefs, or Obama's upbringing in an Anti-American family, or his associations with radicals in college and beyond.

I would say the run-of-the-mill voter doesn't know any of this and should see the movie. I also contend that Obama has not been as aggressive in pushing his agenda as he will be if re-elected, as evidenced by his open-mic comments to Medvedev.

On the release date, certainly no coincidence. DD talks about his political thoughts and where he came from, so it's no secret he's a Reaganite.

Here's where is Obama outside the political mainstream:
- His politcal background is Socialist/Anti-colonialist due to his father's roots in Kenya, his mother's and grandparents Communist/Marxist beliefs, Frank Marshall Davis' (Communist Party member) influence, his associations and professors in college (Edward Said, POL supporter and apologist for terrorism)and his time overseas in Indonesia and Kenya.
- HHS Mandate: most Americans are against forcing religious organizations to be forced to provide health services that are against their beliefs (Abortion drugs, sterilization, contraception)
- ObamaCare: most Americans are against ObamaCare and don't want gov't control over healthcare.
- Restricting oil development, shut down Keystone pipeline....yet approving loans to Brazil & Mexico to drill.
- most Americans don't don't want European level gas prices...but Obama and his Sec of Energy do.
- Increased EPA regulations that increase not just car prices, but prices for all goods that require transport, for all Americans.
- Most Americans wouldn't approve billion dollar loans to junk-bond rated "green energy" companies...who just happen to be run by Obama bundlers/major donors.
- Cutting U.S. active nuclear weapons from approximately 1,800 to 300....while Russia is at over 1,500, China is increasing its military, and we face emerging nuclear threats in the Middle East and N. Korea.
- support of UN treaty on small arms that infringes on 2nd Ammendment rights....but sell guns to Mexican drug cartels then refuse to provide key information on program to Congress.
- forcing Navy to "green fuel" which costs $ 26gal vs. $ 3.60gal of conventional fuel.
- most Americans support Israel and don't want to see them wiped out...while Obama is doing nothing to stop Iran from gaining a nuclear weapon

Obama Places Vast Oil Reserves Off-Limits As Gas Prices Rise - Investors.com

- see the link below for more

President Obama's Marxist-Leninist Economics: Fact And Fiction - Forbes

[saden1]

Same old garbage stamped with a new post date and number.


...we'll find out soon enough what most Americans want.

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

Here's where is Obama outside the political mainstream:
- His politcal background is Socialist/Anti-colonialist due to his father's roots in Kenya, his mother's and grandparents Communist/Marxist beliefs, Frank Marshall Davis' (Communist Party member) influence, his associations and professors in college (Edward Said, POL supporter and apologist for terrorism)and his time overseas in Indonesia and Kenya.

This is where you lose all credibility with me,you blame his father , mother and his teachers.This is nothing but extreme right wing BS!Republican scare tactics,you know you can't win on issues becuase it's the republican congress that is killing this country and holding up everything.

[Dirtbag59]

I still don't see why the Republicans are courting the Religous Right. It might have won them the election back in 2000 but right now it seems to be making the election closer then it needs to be.

The social issues that have sidetracked the GOP message in recent weeks also play into Obama’s hands, as he has double-digit leads on social and women’s issues.

Seriously nothing good is coming from courting the far Christian Right vote.

[12thMan]

SlingingSammy, Obama has two books that he wrote prior to entering the White House, served in the U.S. Senate. He's been on the national scene going on 8 years. He was the Harvard Law Review Editor. Maybe it's just me, but Harvard Law Review sounds pretty mainstream to me.

You keep saying his "political background" as if he's Jason Bourne or someone. LOL. Why do you repeat it like it's so mysterious and one needs a venn diagram to explain it. His "political background". Funny guy. How do you square your talking points with his legislative record. Barack Obama was one of 50 Senators and has been in the public eye for well over a decade. Voted with his party the majority of the time like any loyal politician. Voters rendered a verdict in 2008 and they'll do so again in a couple of months.

Here's another question? Are any of his votes any different from his colleagues in the Senate? Nope. As a Senator did Obama author any bills that's considered outside of mainstream political thought. A resounding no.

But you know Senator Obama and Republican Dick Lugar co-sponsored a nuclear proliferation bill. That uh..was signed into law. That radical Dick Lugar.

Did the movie point out all the Republicans in Obama's cabinet?

What you've outlined is policy disagreements. And that's perfectly okay. We've had this discussion before. I'm not trying to convince you that those policies or good, bad, or otherwise. You just disagree. You're one of millions of Americans that disagreed with Obama in 2008 and still disagree with him. Okay, and? Doesn't make him socialist or some secret commie with a secret agenda.

Oh..Kenya? Really? He met his dad one effin time and now he's suddenly influenced by his politics and is socialist? That's a helluva leap, especially since Obama never lived in Kenya one day in his life. NOT ONE DAY. Is that how works? Shit, let me hang out with Magic Johnson if shit transfers that easily.

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

SlingingSammy, Obama has two books that he wrote prior to entering the White House, served in the U.S. Senate. He's been on the national scene going on 8 years. He was the Harvard Law Review Editor. Maybe it's just me, but Harvard Law Review sounds pretty mainstream to me.

While at Harvard he was still quite to the left, a "liberal's liberal" I've seen quoted.

You keep saying his "political background" as if he's Jason Bourne or someone. LOL. Why do you repeat it like it's so mysterious and one needs a venn diagram to explain it. His "political background". Funny guy. How do you square your talking points with his legislative record.

Not sure how I'm being mysterious, should I use another term, maybe political upbringing? His family; grandparents (who raised him for years), mother, birth-father, close family friend "FranK", we're all far-left socialists/Communists.

His legislative record in the U.S. Senate (only 3 yrs.) is very liberal leaning, even ranking most liberal one year. We've been over this, it shouldn't be in dispute. The guy also missed 24% of his votes, far aobve the median of 2.4%

Barack Obama, President - GovTrack.us

Here's another question? Are any of his votes any different from his colleagues in the Senate?

Nope. As a Senator did Obama author any bills that's considered outside of mainstream political thought. A resounding no.

See above, he is far-left....that's outside of the mainstream.

Because you bring up a single bill he worked on across the aisle that makes him a moderate....LOL.

Did the movie point out all the Republicans in Obama's cabinet?

Ray LaHood....liberal R from Chicago with ties to Rahm Emanuel and Obama's Chi-town crew...haha OK, and Robert Gates...now retired and replaced with Panetta (D). I don't knnow why the movie would point that out.

What you've outlined is policy disagreements......Doesn't make him socialist or some secret commie with a secret agenda.

You asked where Obama was outside the politcal mainstream, I presented specific points and policies he has implemented that are outside the political mainstream here in the U.S. Is he a straight out Communist, no. Does he have a far-left agenda and see himself (the federal gov't) as the authority that rights "social injustice"...absolutely. Is he against capitalism and see the free market as unfair...absolutely. Is that socialism....absolutely.

Oh..Kenya? Really? He met his dad one effin time and now he's suddenly influenced by his politics and is socialist? That's a helluva leap, especially since Obama never lived in Kenya one day in his life. NOT ONE DAY. Is that how works? Shit, let me hang out with Magic Johnson if shit transfers that easily.

You need to read a bit more. Obama spent at least 5 weeks in Kenya in the late '80s (likely 1988). I would say 5 weeks is a bit longer than 1 day. And the influence wasn't just his Dad, but entire family.

Just some other tidbits:
1985 to 1988 — Obama worked as a "community organizer" for the "Industrial Areas Foundation" (IAF), an organization founded by Marxist radical Saul Alinsky. Obama also worked with the Alinsky group "Developing Communities Project" (DCP), of which Obama became director; "ACORN" (Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now); and Project Vote. ACORN was founded by Wade Rathke — an associate of Weather Underground founder William Ayers — and is one of the largest and most powerful leftist organizations in the United States.

Believe what you want, but if it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck....it's probably a duck.