Mark Sanchez at 13th?

[30gut]

Originally Posted by Skinz4life

Call me crazy but I don't think that drafting Sanchez with the 13th overall pick is that bad of an idea. Best case It would push JC to preform better and if he does we have a situation like San Diego had a couple years back with Drew Brees and Phillip Rivers. If he doesn't play better we have Sanchez who would be ready to step in and play like carson plamer did with the Bengles. The one thing I don't want is for Washington to trade a bunch of picks to trade up and get him though.

We can't get Sanchez without trading a bunch of picks.
Imo getting Sanchez would preclude the Skins from improving our greatest areas of needs.

We can't get Sanchez and improve the OL/Pass Rush/OLB.

[Skinz4life]

The only way I'd be alright with taking Sanchez is if he fell to #13, which it appears as if there is no way thats going to happen. I personally don't think we have enough picks to fill all the needs we have regardless if we trade for Sanchez or not though.

[freddyg12]

Most seem to think Detroit is going w/Stafford, but what if they opt for J. Smith instead? Both Staff. & Sanchez would drop at least a little.


Or, what if they really shocked everybody & signed Sanchez? Would there be a scramble to trade up for Stafford? (Doesn't sound like the Skins are into him at all)

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by 30gut

We can't get Sanchez without trading a bunch of picks.
Imo getting Sanchez would preclude the Skins from improving our greatest areas of needs.

We can't get Sanchez and improve the OL/Pass Rush/OLB.

As Rich points out, if that happened, we wouldnt be in that much different of a position than every other NFL team.

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...And many, if not most, NFL teams will be in the same boat. You can't fill every starting position with a high draft pick or with a premium free agent. Sometimes you have to go with someone who is just a guy. Should the Redskins not land an offensive tackle that guy could be Jansen or Heyer or maybe Devin Clark, a rookie free agent who spent last year on the practice squad. Wynn, Daniels, and Chris Wilson could be the guys rotating at right DE. H. B. Blades was a guy who filled in at linebacker last year and didn't embarrass himself. Or another guy who could end up starting at the Sam linebacker is the recently-signed Robert Thomas, who has started 50 NFL games in six years in the league...

...But if it's not ideal that doesn't mean that it's a disaster. Nevertheless, Redskins Nation is likely to be fretting and wringing its collective hands on Monday morning, lamenting unfilled needs. Chances are, though, that a few guys will end up working out just fine.

Even if we select one of OL/DE/OLB in the first round, that still leaves us with two holes. Its not like our 3rd round pick could be counted on to be an immediate starter and upgrade over the guys we have. So if your very own personal "worst case scenario" involves the skins trading picks for Sanchez, its not the end of the world. We're already a MUCH better team now than we were when the season ended. As far as i'm concerned, everything we do between now and the regular season is just icing on the cake - to make us even better. Whatever we do with our 1st round pick - OL, DL, LB, QB, RB... whatever - it will certainly be for a player who's better than the guy he's replacing on our roster.

One more random thing - i wouldnt be surprised if, a week from now, Brady Quinn is our defacto starting QB...

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

As Rich points out, if that happened, we wouldnt be in that much different of a position than every other NFL team.

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Even if we select one of OL/DE/OLB in the first round, that still leaves us with two holes. Its not like our 3rd round pick could be counted on to be an immediate starter and upgrade over the guys we have. So if your very own personal "worst case scenario" involves the skins trading picks for Sanchez, its not the end of the world. We're already a MUCH better team now than we were when the season ended. As far as i'm concerned, everything we do between now and the regular season is just icing on the cake - to make us even better. Whatever we do with our 1st round pick - OL, DL, LB, QB, RB... whatever - it will certainly be for a player who's better than the guy he's replacing on our roster.

One more random thing - i wouldnt be surprised if, a week from now, Brady Quinn is our defacto starting QB...

Well, what Tandler is saying is it's just a player if we take Sanchez...which is true, until we trade up. Then it's multiple players.

I'm also wondering what role Quinn has in all this. Perhaps if Sanchez is there at 5, the Redskins and Browns will trade, but not for the 5th pick, but with Quinn/Campbell/the 13th.

I'd much rather have Campbell in this offense than Quinn, and they do share similar weaknesses, but buying low is a far smarter approach than buying high.

Ultimately, I think the 13th overall pick is going to be a defensive player as a Redskin, and that will be that.

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Well, what Tandler is saying is it's just a player if we take Sanchez...which is true, until we trade up. Then it's multiple players.

I'm also wondering what role Quinn has in all this. Perhaps if Sanchez is there at 5, the Redskins and Browns will trade, but not for the 5th pick, but with Quinn/Campbell/the 13th.

I'd much rather have Campbell in this offense than Quinn, and they do share similar weaknesses, but buying low is a far smarter approach than buying high.

Ultimately, I think the 13th overall pick is going to be a defensive player as a Redskin, and that will be that.

To be honest, i don't like Quinn at all - atleast not for this team. I just see him as a younger Jason Campbell in terms of skills, but without JCs class. To me, hed be nothing more than a shiny new toy for Snyder, without atleast having the potential and "it" factor that Sanchez would bring.

As to your last point, id love to land Maybin. I think if we stayed at 13, the smartest move would be to take the best DE available, and that could be him. IMO the best way to receive dividends from the enormous investment we made in Haynesworth is to put a pass-rushing beast alongside him. I'd be fine with one of the big 4 OTs at 13, but I would be extremely disappointed if we took a LB there. If we bring Washington back and use a lateround pick on an OLB, our LB corps will be fine for 2009.

[SmootSmack]

We should just sign Philip Rivers next off-season and that should resolve everything

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Pain, those were exactly my thoughts.

I dont want a coaching change-period. I'm not going to reiterate my questions about Campbell in this system, but if the team drafted a rookie QB, it would "garauntee" Zorn got atleast 2-3 more years. Zorn is the ideal coach to groom a rookie QB and I think, aside from Campbell making a giant leap in his play this year, Zorns only shot of sticking beyond 2009 is to draft and groom his own QB. I fear if we stick with Campbell, both he and Zorn will be fired and we'll start from scratch next year. And by scratch, i mean scratch. I doubt Bugel sticks around for another regime change. The offensive coaches would all be gone if Holmgren, Gruden, or Shanahan were hired, plus those guys would all insist on their own QB. If Cowher were hired, you can kiss our entire defensive staff goodbye when we would move to a 3-4.

i like Zorn alot. He experienced alot of growing pains last year and was responsible for some piss-poor playcalling, but i have confidence that he'll get better each year. I think our teams best chance at having long term success is to stick with Zorn, let him pick his own QB, and then let him groom his own QB - as you said, build this team from the QB position outward (whether thats with sanchez or Quinn)

Our defense will be fine and our o-line, despite its age, will benefit from having Dockery and a healthy Randy Thomas back. I'm a beleiver in Stephon Heyer being solid as well. I'm 90% certain Marcus Washington is coming back, so he, Blades and Thomas can hold down SLB spot. With the DE position, weve got two solid old guys in rotation with the possibility that Buzbee and Jackson improving and getting some action. In short, if we don't draft Ol, DE, or OLB with our 1st round pick, we'll be ok - no matter whos' under center.

[Trample the Elderly]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

Pain, those were exactly my thoughts.

I dont want a coaching change-period. I'm not going to reiterate my questions about Campbell in this system, but if the team drafted a rookie QB, it would "garauntee" Zorn got atleast 2-3 more years. Zorn is the ideal coach to groom a rookie QB and I think, aside from Campbell making a giant leap in his play this year, Zorns only shot of sticking beyond 2009 is to draft and groom his own QB. I fear if we stick with Campbell, both he and Zorn will be fired and we'll start from scratch next year. And by scratch, i mean scratch. I doubt Bugel sticks around for another regime change. The offensive coaches would all be gone if Holmgren, Gruden, or Shanahan were hired, plus those guys would all insist on their own QB. If Cowher were hired, you can kiss our entire defensive staff goodbye when we would move to a 3-4.

i like Zorn alot. He experienced alot of growing pains last year and was responsible for some piss-poor playcalling, but i have confidence that he'll get better each year. I think our teams best chance at having long term success is to stick with Zorn, let him pick his own QB, and then let him groom his own QB - as you said, build this team from the QB position outward (whether thats with sanchez or Quinn)

Our defense will be fine and our o-line, despite its age, will benefit from having Dockery and a healthy Randy Thomas back. I'm a beleiver in Stephon Heyer being solid as well. I'm 90% certain Marcus Washington is coming back, so he, Blades and Thomas can hold down SLB spot. With the DE position, weve got two solid old guys in rotation with the possibility that Buzbee and Jackson improving and getting some action. In short, if we don't draft Ol, DE, or OLB with our 1st round pick, we'll be ok - no matter whos' under center.

I don't share your optimism but I'll go along.

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

Pain, those were exactly my thoughts.

I dont want a coaching change-period. I'm not going to reiterate my questions about Campbell in this system, but if the team drafted a rookie QB, it would "garauntee" Zorn got atleast 2-3 more years. Zorn is the ideal coach to groom a rookie QB and I think, aside from Campbell making a giant leap in his play this year, Zorns only shot of sticking beyond 2009 is to draft and groom his own QB. I fear if we stick with Campbell, both he and Zorn will be fired and we'll start from scratch next year. And by scratch, i mean scratch. I doubt Bugel sticks around for another regime change. The offensive coaches would all be gone if Holmgren, Gruden, or Shanahan were hired, plus those guys would all insist on their own QB. If Cowher were hired, you can kiss our entire defensive staff goodbye when we would move to a 3-4.

i like Zorn alot. He experienced alot of growing pains last year and was responsible for some piss-poor playcalling, but i have confidence that he'll get better each year. I think our teams best chance at having long term success is to stick with Zorn, let him pick his own QB, and then let him groom his own QB - as you said, build this team from the QB position outward (whether thats with sanchez or Quinn)

Our defense will be fine and our o-line, despite its age, will benefit from having Dockery and a healthy Randy Thomas back. I'm a beleiver in Stephon Heyer being solid as well. I'm 90% certain Marcus Washington is coming back, so he, Blades and Thomas can hold down SLB spot. With the DE position, weve got two solid old guys in rotation with the possibility that Buzbee and Jackson improving and getting some action. In short, if we don't draft Ol, DE, or OLB with our 1st round pick, we'll be ok - no matter whos' under center.

BHA, I hear you. While you know we disagree on Campbell's potential here, we agree that with Campbell this is a make or break season and if it's break, then Zorn is going also.

I'm interested in in what scenario do you see Quinn as our starting QB on opening day? How would those trade machinations work out?

I'm also on board (surprisingly) with your assessment of a Sanchez based draft day. That would mean Washington, who hasn't gotten a sniff anywhere else, would come back as the starter at SLB, we've got players who have started for us before with Heyer and Daniels/Wynn who can man the RT and DE spots so we'd be entering the season with some youth, some age but nothing we hadn't seen before at those spots. It's far from the ideal scenario but it's not doomsday either.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

Pain, those were exactly my thoughts.

I dont want a coaching change-period. I'm not going to reiterate my questions about Campbell in this system, but if the team drafted a rookie QB, it would "garauntee" Zorn got atleast 2-3 more years. Zorn is the ideal coach to groom a rookie QB and I think, aside from Campbell making a giant leap in his play this year, Zorns only shot of sticking beyond 2009 is to draft and groom his own QB. I fear if we stick with Campbell, both he and Zorn will be fired and we'll start from scratch next year. And by scratch, i mean scratch. I doubt Bugel sticks around for another regime change. The offensive coaches would all be gone if Holmgren, Gruden, or Shanahan were hired, plus those guys would all insist on their own QB. If Cowher were hired, you can kiss our entire defensive staff goodbye when we would move to a 3-4.

i like Zorn alot. He experienced alot of growing pains last year and was responsible for some piss-poor playcalling, but i have confidence that he'll get better each year. I think our teams best chance at having long term success is to stick with Zorn, let him pick his own QB, and then let him groom his own QB - as you said, build this team from the QB position outward (whether thats with sanchez or Quinn)

Our defense will be fine and our o-line, despite its age, will benefit from having Dockery and a healthy Randy Thomas back. I'm a beleiver in Stephon Heyer being solid as well. I'm 90% certain Marcus Washington is coming back, so he, Blades and Thomas can hold down SLB spot. With the DE position, weve got two solid old guys in rotation with the possibility that Buzbee and Jackson improving and getting some action. In short, if we don't draft Ol, DE, or OLB with our 1st round pick, we'll be ok - no matter whos' under center.

What has Zorn done the past two months to change your opinion of him? I thought you had said recently hiring him was a dumb move, and next offseason (presumably when he's gone) couldn't come soon enough

[GMScud]

I hope that Peter King's source is correct about Snyder being unwilling to move next year's 1st.

Ultimately I don't think this will end up happening for a few reasons:

There's a very good chance our offense will be significantly better in year 2 for Campbell, Zorn, and a handful of young ball-catchers. Plus the O-line will be in better shape. Snyder knows this. It's not like sticking with the current QB situation is a big roll of the dice. It's safe and prudent, and allows us to fix other holes and maintain continuity and growth with a solid QB and system.

Snyder should not go after Sanchez by shipping off multiple picks and/or players and stick with Campbell instead because regardless of the outcome of Zorn/Campbell in '09, Snyder benefits. We all know as Campbell goes, so does Zorn, and vice versa. If they flop this season, Snyder can dump them both, and will have an opportunity at the outstanding 2010 QB draft class. Not to mention the head coaches that'll be available - Holmgren, Cowher, Gruden, Shanahan, Billick, etc. He would be giddy about the splash he could make.

And if Zorn and Campbell take a big step forward, Snyder looks great for being patient and allowing continuity to play it's course.

[Beemnseven]

Originally Posted by GMScud

I hope that Peter King's source is correct about Snyder being unwilling to move next year's 1st.

Ultimately I don't think this will end up happening for a few reasons:

There's a very good chance our offense will be significantly better in year 2 for Campbell, Zorn, and a handful of young ball-catchers. Plus the O-line will be in better shape. Snyder knows this. It's not like sticking with the current QB situation is a big roll of the dice. It's safe and prudent, and allows us to fix other holes and maintain continuity and growth with a solid QB and system.

Snyder should not go after Sanchez by shipping off multiple picks and/or players and stick with Campbell instead because regardless of the outcome of Zorn/Campbell in '09, Snyder benefits. We all know as Campbell goes, so does Zorn, and vice versa. If they flop this season, Snyder can dump them both, and will have an opportunity at the outstanding 2010 QB draft class. Not to mention the head coaches that'll be available - Holmgren, Cowher, Gruden, Shanahan, Billick, etc. He would be giddy about the splash he could make.

And if Zorn and Campbell take a big step forward, Snyder looks great for being patient and allowing continuity to play it's course.

You sure about that? The offensive line has been on shaky ground for a couple of years now. Every year the front office ignores the offensive line the closer we are to absolute Armageddon up front. Snyder thinks the O-line will be in better shape, that's why he's willing to enter the Sanchez Sweepstakes.

You're right though, I don't think it'll happen anyway. Sanchez could be gone by pick #2. And Seattle might not want to pass him up at #4. You're also correct that this is Go Time for Zorn and Campbell. If they don't light it up and make a deep run into the playoffs, that will be the perfect opportunity for Snyder to wash his hands of the both of them.

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

You sure about that? The offensive line has been on shaky ground for a couple of years now. Every year the front office ignores the offensive line the closer we are to absolute Armageddon up front. Snyder thinks the O-line will be in better shape, that's why he's willing to enter the Sanchez Sweepstakes.

You're right though, I don't think it'll happen anyway. Sanchez could be gone by pick #2. And Seattle might not want to pass him up at #4. You're also correct that this is Go Time for Zorn and Campbell. If they don't light it up and make a deep run into the playoffs, that will be the perfect opportunity for Snyder to wash his hands of the both of them.

Yeah, I'm definitely sure the O-line will be in better shape. Heyer is one more year along in his development. Randy Thomas is healthy and not in grave danger of being paralyzed now that he's had his neck surgery. Samuels should be 100% to start the year, and Dockery is a big addition. I fully expect us to add at least 1 more lineman in the draft, plus there's more FA time left. I think before the 2009 season gets underway, we'll be better along the O-line than in 2008.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

Pain, those were exactly my thoughts.
...
In short, if we don't draft Ol, DE, or OLB with our 1st round pick, we'll be ok - no matter whos' under center.

shouldn't your post end "except Campbell"?