Broncos to trade Cutler

[RedTempleSkin]

Originally Posted by johno

that interview on 980 just proved that campbell is a class act all the way.

I would have love to have heard that. This should let us know of the type of character and how unflappable the guy we have is. We saw the reaction of the other guy is when he found out that this is a business, that they are all commodities. One guy doesn't let it bother him, the other, well we see what is going on now. Character on the field is important, this helps you more than a strong arm when adversity knocks you on your but.

[firstdown]

I keep reading all this stuff about Snyder but how do we not know that Zorn is not the one pushing to get Cutler?

[celts32]

Originally Posted by firstdown

I keep reading all this stuff about Snyder but how do we not know that Zorn is not the one pushing to get Cutler?

That would be the dumbest thing Zorn ever did...Cutler=Shanahan and a lot of free time for Zorny by 2010 if not sooner.

[vallin21]

Originally Posted by firstdown

I keep reading all this stuff about Snyder but how do we not know that Zorn is not the one pushing to get Cutler?

I wouldn't be surprised if Zorn, Vinny, and Synder are the one's pushing hard for Cutler. Zorn knows he might be out this year if he doesn't make the playoffs, and maybe he sees no progression in JC which is why he is gunning for Cutler. From Vinny's standpoint he's likely fired if we don't make the playoffs, and he made the trade to jump back into the 1st round in '05 and gave up our 1st in '06 to get JC and it's not working out. Synder wants to win and put people in the stands, and Cutler is the better QB to do that. Were the only team in the NFC East with an unproven QB (Manning, McNabb, Romo), so to get Cutler would give us a proven QB.

[Defensewins]

Originally Posted by vallin21

I wouldn't be surprised if Zorn, Vinny, and Synder are the one's pushing hard for Cutler. Zorn knows he might be out this year if he doesn't make the playoffs, and maybe he sees no progression in JC which is why he is gunning for Cutler. From Vinny's standpoint he's likely fired if we don't make the playoffs, and he made the trade to jump back into the 1st round in '05 and gave up our 1st in '06 to get JC and it's not working out. Synder wants to win and put people in the stands, and Cutler is the better QB to do that. Were the only team in the NFC East with an unproven QB (Manning, McNabb, Romo), so to get Cutler would give us a proven QB.

Vinny will never get fired.

[DieHardSkinsFan777]

Originally Posted by Defensewins

Vinny will never get fired.

well sense hes already been fired by dan once at martys request, i think your sadly mistaken

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by vallin21

I wouldn't be surprised if Zorn, Vinny, and Synder are the one's pushing hard for Cutler. Zorn knows he might be out this year if he doesn't make the playoffs, and maybe he sees no progression in JC which is why he is gunning for Cutler. From Vinny's standpoint he's likely fired if we don't make the playoffs, and he made the trade to jump back into the 1st round in '05 and gave up our 1st in '06 to get JC and it's not working out. Synder wants to win and put people in the stands, and Cutler is the better QB to do that. Were the only team in the NFC East with an unproven QB (Manning, McNabb, Romo), so to get Cutler would give us a proven QB.

Prior to the Manning SB run in '07 many said he was "unproven". Romo can't win a playoff game and McNabb is in the twilight of his career. I don't think putting butts in seats is a concern of Snyder's, a 10 year waiting list for season tickets tends to put that concern aside. Selling jerseys and Club Level seats is another issue, but the only thing that addresses that is playoff level football. Cutler alone will not raise the Skins to that level.

[takethecake]

I agree, and besides, we've already got a HUGE name in haynesworth to sell jerseys, if that's really the FO's agenda. As others have said, Cutler is a MARGINAL improvement at best, and just not worth giving up any draft picks for. We drastically need the #13 pick, whether to grab andre smith or to trade down and upgrade two needs, but I don't think this team is any better than last year if we sacrifice those needs to get a quarterback that is slightly better than campbell.

Besides that, jason campbell has character out the roof (see recent interview, and past ones for that matter) and jay cutler has close to none. Regardless of ability, I'd rather not have a whiny baby as the leader of the offense.

If we dont' make the trade and keep our picks and draft o-line first round, LB/maybe WR 3rd round, I see us having a great shot at the playoffs in 2009. If we take the bait and pay the exorbitant asking fee denver is probably looking for, I think we are an 8-8 team at best.

[Defensewins]

Originally Posted by vallin21

I wouldn't be surprised if Zorn, Vinny, and Synder are the one's pushing hard for Cutler. Zorn knows he might be out this year if he doesn't make the playoffs, and maybe he sees no progression in JC which is why he is gunning for Cutler. From Vinny's standpoint he's likely fired if we don't make the playoffs, and he made the trade to jump back into the 1st round in '05 and gave up our 1st in '06 to get JC and it's not working out. Synder wants to win and put people in the stands, and Cutler is the better QB to do that. Were the only team in the NFC East with an unproven QB (Manning, McNabb, Romo), so to get Cutler would give us a proven QB.

Proven Qb? Really?
As a full time starter Cutler in his entire NFL career went:

2007 record 7-9
2008 record 8-8

Yes he is a QB in the NFL. That is proven. But if you imply Cutler is the real deal like a Manning, McNabb or even Romo...no he is not.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by Defensewins

Proven Qb? Really?
As a full time starter Cutler in his entire NFL career went:

2007 record 7-9
2008 record 8-8

Yes he is a QB in the NFL. That is proven. But if you imply Cutler is the real deal like a Manning, McNabb or even Romo...no he is not.

PLEASE stop comparing the WL records. That means NOTHING! Again I hope we keep JC but if you took Cutler off of Denver they might win 3-5 games. He plays on a team with a terrible defense and no running game. Let's say Campbell had to play on a team with a real bad defense. What would his WL record be? The WL thing really isn't a smart way to compare the two.

[dmvskinzfan08]

Originally Posted by Defensewins

Proven Qb? Really?
As a full time starter Cutler in his entire NFL career went:

2007 record 7-9
2008 record 8-8

Yes he is a QB in the NFL. That is proven. But if you imply Cutler is the real deal like a Manning, McNabb or even Romo...no he is not.

Perfect assessment

[T.O.Killa]

Originally Posted by dmvskinzfan08

Perfect assessment

He is 13-1 when the defense holds the opponent to 21 points or less. The only loss coming in overtime to the Dolphins. they had the worst defense in football.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by Defensewins

Proven Qb? Really?
As a full time starter Cutler in his entire NFL career went:

2007 record 7-9
2008 record 8-8

Yes he is a QB in the NFL. That is proven. But if you imply Cutler is the real deal like a Manning, McNabb or even Romo...no he is not.

Dude, your very screen name belies the point you're making. You don't think the Broncos' God-awful defense had anything to do with that??

You gotta be kidding me.

[mooby]

I don't like this idea either. We've invested so much in Campbell, and for what? So we can throw him away and waste more draft picks/get rid of talented players in the process? And the fact that the coach of the team has no say in this is really upsetting. I felt like with Gibbs here Snyder was able to take a backseat, but now with him gone he's regressed to his old ways. I like Campbell and I really do think if we gave him another year in Zorn's system we'd see a lot of improvement, provided we help the o-line in the draft. But if we trade away our only pick in the first two rounds we're pretty much saying we're gonna stick with the line we have. Even Jay Cutler wouldn't have as much success as he had in Denver with this line.

[johno]

Jason basically said that he understood that an NFL team is a business, and his bosses may shop him around. He said that he was committed to winning with the Skins and will work hard everyday to make sure that is a reality.

Jason also said that Zorn called him earlier today to reaffirm that Jason was his guy under center.