Redskins and Titans talking trade again on Albert Haynesworth

[MTK]

I hear ya on the smiley thing, some people seem to think that cancels out whatever dickish behavior they're exhibiting.

[SBXVII]

^ I'm confused.... were you trying to cancel out some dickish move with the smiley there? lol.

More on the R.Moss issue.....
NFL.com news: Moss, Belichick meet to discuss Patriots receiver's comments

I'm betting typical Belichick.... "Look, I don't allow players to talk to the media so Randy if you still want your full paycheck and not be seated on the bench during games, don't say a word to the media." "Oh and don't forget, your under contact with us until season ends."

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

^ I'm confused.... were you trying to cancel out some dickish move with the smiley there? lol.

More on the R.Moss issue.....
NFL.com news: Moss, Belichick meet to discuss Patriots receiver's comments

I'm betting typical Belichick.... "Look, I don't allow players to talk to the media so Randy if you still want your full paycheck and not be seated on the bench during games, don't say a word to the media." "Oh and don't forget, your under contact with us until season ends."

Darth Hoody is going to wave his hand and tell Randy "You are happy with the Patriots and you will keep quiet." And Randy will comply.

[Monkeydad]

I've seen that mascot-eats-cheerleader/dancer thing has been done by the Toronto Raptors, Houston Rockets, Milwaukee Bucks before.

[#56fanatic]

Honestly, I think Shannahan is just running this crap into the ground. According to the players, they stand behind AH and i think they are just getting tired of all this crap. He is the best D-lineman we have. I dont care what anyone says, he is our best. Just put the shit behind us, line him up at DE and let the dude play. all this stuff is just hurting the team. He is truly ready to play the DE position and go. why they keep messing with his head and putting him in on only 16 plays and doing the NT thing is absolutely mind boggling. Shanny's ego is that big?? This just needs to be squashed, play the man at DE and lets have a dominant D and let AH see how dominant he can be. And when he see's this maybe next year (if he's still here) wont be that big of a deal.

The man is a beast. So you have to stroke his ego a bit, but I think all this "it is my team, and you'll do what i tell you to" stuff from shanny is just getting old.

[BleedBurgundy]

Originally Posted by #56fanatic

The man is a beast. So you have to stroke his ego a bit, but I think all this "it is my team, and you'll do what i tell you to" stuff from shanny is just getting old.

Dude, it IS his ****ing team. These goddamn prima donna players think they can do what's best for themselves all the time, holding out, play when they want, run some routes, not others... You need a coach like Shanahan, Belichick, etc that's got the balls to put the team first and sit these clowns down.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by BleedBurgundy

Dude, it IS his ****ing team. These goddamn prima donna players think they can do what's best for themselves all the time, holding out, play when they want, run some routes, not others... You need a coach like Shanahan, Belichick, etc that's got the balls to put the team first and sit these clowns down.

Imagine that, a coach running the show.

[#56fanatic]

Originally Posted by BleedBurgundy

Dude, it IS his ****ing team. These goddamn prima donna players think they can do what's best for themselves all the time, holding out, play when they want, run some routes, not others... You need a coach like Shanahan, Belichick, etc that's got the balls to put the team first and sit these clowns down.

I am not saying what AH is right, at all believe me. I was one of the ship his ass out, or bench him for the rest of the contract. But, i just think this has gone way too damn far. I just think now its about making him look bad than anything else. I understand its HIS team, and I like shanny, but this seems to be more personal than anything related to his "football" ability.

[Bushead]

Originally Posted by #56fanatic

I am not saying what AH is right, at all believe me. I was one of the ship his ass out, or bench him for the rest of the contract. But, i just think this has gone way too damn far. I just think now its about making him look bad than anything else. I understand its HIS team, and I like shanny, but this seems to be more personal than anything related to his "football" ability.

Obviously, we have no idea what is said between them, but do you remember that shot of the sideline when Haynesworth was 20 feet away from the defense? It looked liked all starters and some backups were surrounding haslett trying to understand things when they had time and Haynesworth wasn't anywhere near it.

Let's be honest: Haynesworth has not done ONE RIGHT THING to earn to get back on the field. I just don't think Shanahan has seen anything that says "let's put him out there."

Conditioning was going to be huge this year. We've heard some whispers how camp has been easy under Zorn and Shanahan wanted people to be in shape. Haynesworth messed around with that big time. Then, when he's playing against scrubs, a perfect time to dominate and show he's ready, he sluffs for the 45 out of 50 plays or whatever it was. How can you trust them?

It's like when Lavar Arrington wanted to just freelance instead of playing a defense. Great talent, but is it worth having that risk on the field? I would much rather have 11 people playing the defense as planned.

I ask you, what has Haynesworth done to deserve to play? Clinton Portis showed up, shut up, got in great shape. McNabb did the same thing. Hell, probably 95% of the team did everything that was asked of them.

[12thMan]

Originally Posted by #56fanatic

Honestly, I think Shannahan is just running this crap into the ground. According to the players, they stand behind AH and i think they are just getting tired of all this crap. He is the best D-lineman we have. I dont care what anyone says, he is our best. Just put the shit behind us, line him up at DE and let the dude play. all this stuff is just hurting the team. He is truly ready to play the DE position and go. why they keep messing with his head and putting him in on only 16 plays and doing the NT thing is absolutely mind boggling. Shanny's ego is that big?? This just needs to be squashed, play the man at DE and lets have a dominant D and let AH see how dominant he can be. And when he see's this maybe next year (if he's still here) wont be that big of a deal.

The man is a beast. So you have to stroke his ego a bit, but I think all this "it is my team, and you'll do what i tell you to" stuff from shanny is just getting old.

I don't know how you define "best", but it sure ain't AH. That is one un-inspired mo'fo right now. Truth is if you can't inspired over $21 mil in the bank, you're going to suddenly turn it on in a system that suits you and click back into Pro Bowl form? I think not. And I'm guessing most of the GMs in the NFL are thinking the same thing.

We can beat this Haynesworth drum until the cows come home, but his value has plummeted like a bad penny stock. All this talk about him being a beast, he's dominate, he's this and that. Puh-lease, give me a break.

Dominant is what dominant does.

No one cares what you did in the NFL yesterday. The NFL is all about right now.

[#56fanatic]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

I don't know how you define "best", but it sure ain't AH. That is one un-inspired mo'fo right now. Truth is if you can't inspired over $21 mil in the bank, you're going to suddenly turn it on in a system that suits you and click back into Pro Bowl form? I think not. And I'm guessing most of the GMs in the NFL are thinking the same thing.

We can beat this Haynesworth drum until the cows come home, but his value has plummeted like a bad penny stock. All this talk about him being a beast, he's dominate, he's this and that. Puh-lease, give me a break.

Dominant is what dominant does.

No one cares what you did in the NFL yesterday. The NFL is all about right now.

Do you think he forgot how to play football in one offseason? They guy was one of the best D-lineman in football for the past 3-4 years. He was maybe short of great for us last year (when on the field) proof is in the fact that Carter had career high in sacks, orakpo as a rookie had 11 sacks. The guy didn't forget how to play. yeah his attitude has sucked, and I was pissed just the same as everyone else. But like I said previously, he is the most talented big man up front we have, and according to MOST if not ALL of the NFL people one of the most talented in all the NFL. I just think it is more personal than anything else right now. We all know that if they put him on the end and let him play the DE position everyone would be happy. But they keep lining him up at NT just to piss him off. You can't tell me that he isn't better than Gholston, better than Adam Cariker, Better than Holliday....come on lets get real. He is better than all those dudes and you know it. They players are getting tired of all the shit too. McNabb, Cooley, Daniels, all leaders of the team are stepping up for Albert, saying they are behind him 100%. Far cry from what everyone was saying during the offseason.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by #56fanatic

Do you think he forgot how to play football in one offseason? They guy was one of the best D-lineman in football for the past 3-4 years. He was maybe short of great for us last year (when on the field) proof is in the fact that Carter had career high in sacks, orakpo as a rookie had 11 sacks. The guy didn't forget how to play. yeah his attitude has sucked, and I was pissed just the same as everyone else. But like I said previously, he is the most talented big man up front we have, and according to MOST if not ALL of the NFL people one of the most talented in all the NFL. I just think it is more personal than anything else right now. We all know that if they put him on the end and let him play the DE position everyone would be happy. But they keep lining him up at NT just to piss him off. You can't tell me that he isn't better than Gholston, better than Adam Cariker, Better than Holliday....come on lets get real. He is better than all those dudes and you know it. They players are getting tired of all the shit too. McNabb, Cooley, Daniels, all leaders of the team are stepping up for Albert, saying they are behind him 100%. Far cry from what everyone was saying during the offseason.

......yeah right. So tired of people saying this cause it's anything but the truth. AH missed 4 games and a lot of those sacks came when his out of shape ass wasn't on the field.

[GhettoDogAllStars]

Originally Posted by #56fanatic

Honestly, I think Shannahan is just running this crap into the ground. According to the players, they stand behind AH and i think they are just getting tired of all this crap. He is the best D-lineman we have. I dont care what anyone says, he is our best. Just put the shit behind us, line him up at DE and let the dude play. all this stuff is just hurting the team. He is truly ready to play the DE position and go. why they keep messing with his head and putting him in on only 16 plays and doing the NT thing is absolutely mind boggling. Shanny's ego is that big?? This just needs to be squashed, play the man at DE and lets have a dominant D and let AH see how dominant he can be. And when he see's this maybe next year (if he's still here) wont be that big of a deal.

The man is a beast. So you have to stroke his ego a bit, but I think all this "it is my team, and you'll do what i tell you to" stuff from shanny is just getting old.

Apparently he's not committed to practicing. Bottom line is: he doesn't work hard. What kind of message would it send to the others who work harder, if they are benched in favor of AH?

In any case, he's wants to shoot gaps, not tie up blockers, and 3-4 linemen need to tie up blockers.

[#56fanatic]

Originally Posted by GhettoDogAllStars

Apparently he's not committed to practicing. Bottom line is: he doesn't work hard. What kind of message would it send to the others who work harder, if they are benched in favor of AH?

In any case, he's wants to shoot gaps, not tie up blockers, and 3-4 linemen need to tie up blockers.

I'll respond to all of these i guess. he is committed. We can argue this point back and forth. But he was putting in extra time with the coaches after practice learning the defense. He was putting in extra time in film. He was, according to the players, embrasing the DE postion and doing his best to learn it. I am guessing he was doing what they were asking him to do, as far as shooting the gaps because he did it over and over and over again. In my opinion, if that was wrong, he would have been pulled out rather quickly and not put back on the field. If you argue that point, then it goes against all the arguements of Shanny busting AH ass everytime he screws up.

[over the mountain]

Originally Posted by #56fanatic

I'll respond to all of these i guess. he is committed. We can argue this point back and forth. But he was putting in extra time with the coaches after practice learning the defense. He was putting in extra time in film. He was, according to the players, embrasing the DE postion and doing his best to learn it. I am guessing he was doing what they were asking him to do, as far as shooting the gaps because he did it over and over and over again. In my opinion, if that was wrong, he would have been pulled out rather quickly and not put back on the field. If you argue that point, then it goes against all the arguements of Shanny busting AH ass everytime he screws up.

thats what im interested to know. unless haslett or someone else with knowledge of the scheme speaks out, i think the fact that they left him in there is circumstantial evidence that shooting gaps was his job description.

of course, general duties of a NT is to take on blockers and not try and shoot past the center and guard.

i really wanna know the answer.