Who is Kirk Cousins?

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

What would a Kirk Cousins contract extension look like? | Rich Tandler's Real Redskins

good article, cant really complain about that type of money. Again, what other options do we really have. none

[jamf]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

What would a Kirk Cousins contract extension look like? | Rich Tandler's Real Redskins

I don't think those numbers are realistic.
He is the best free agent QB and someone will probably overpay for him.

Alex Smiths contract is going to be the starting point ( 4Y @ $68M ) since they have similar play styles.

The wildcard in all this is the Eagles. Bradford and KC are both UFA at the end of the year. If they like KC more, they could overpay him and weaken a division rival at the same time.

I'm going to predict Denver will make a run at him and offer him $17M a year over 5 years.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by jamf

I don't think those numbers are realistic.
He is the best free agent QB and someone will probably overpay for him.

Alex Smiths contract is going to be the starting point ( 4Y @ $68M ) since they have similar play styles.

The wildcard in all this is the Eagles. Bradford and KC are both UFA at the end of the year. If they like KC more, they could overpay him and weaken a division rival at the same time.

I'm going to predict Denver will make a run at him and offer him $17M a year over 5 years.

I think teams have mostly wised up about paying QB's based on one good year.

If someone wants to pay him that kinda money he might as well walk.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by jamf

I don't think those numbers are realistic.
He is the best free agent QB and someone will probably overpay for him.

Alex Smiths contract is going to be the starting point ( 4Y @ $68M ) since they have similar play styles.

The wildcard in all this is the Eagles. Bradford and KC are both UFA at the end of the year. If they like KC more, they could overpay him and weaken a division rival at the same time.

I'm going to predict Denver will make a run at him and offer him $17M a year over 5 years.

I don't think so. I will be extremely surprised if he doesn't negotiate in good faith exclusively with McCloughan, and arrive at a fair market based deal. McCloughan has a way of getting guys to sign for market price because he'll go with a 3 year offer and pledge to Cousins that if he plays even better, he'll reward him even more. Cousins will buy in, McCloughan is extremely good with establishing and maintaining player relationships.

[Schneed10]

Yeah. And like if we step back and look at the league overall, who are the QBs on the list there where you'd say they're rising and could become something?

You'd have to mention Winston, Mariota, Derek Carr, Bortles and you couldn't leave Cousins out of that. None of those teams would give up on their guys yet, and we shouldn't either.

Unless Kirk tanks over the next 7 games. But I don't think that happens.

[artmonkforhallofamein07]

I've watched Cam play quite a bit this year and I think his lack of recievers is hurting his QBR. He has been playing really good football this year. My eyes tell me Cam has been a better QB than most this season. (boy I cant stand that dude either lol)

[over the mountain]

Kirk played pretty well in the first half of the season given the injuries and lack of the run game. Now that we have our full compliment of weapons, gruden said we were able to open up the entire playbook against the saints.

im wondering if 2-3 games from now, when coordinators have enough film of what our entire offense is supposed to look like, coordinators may be able to scheme better.

im interested to see what our success looks like when d coordinators have enough film to scheme and adjust to our full playbook .. assuming everyone stays healthy so our playbook can stay completely open.

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by over the mountain

Kirk played pretty well in the first half of the season given the injuries and lack of the run game. Now that we have our full compliment of weapons, gruden said we were able to open up the entire playbook against the saints.



im wondering if 2-3 games from now, when coordinators have enough film of what our entire offense is supposed to look like, coordinators may be able to scheme better.



im interested to see what our success looks like when d coordinators have enough film to scheme and adjust to our full playbook .. assuming everyone stays healthy so our playbook can stay completely open.

Thats why they play the game. One teams best against anothers. Thats when execution comes into play and not necessarily scheme.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by over the mountain

Kirk played pretty well in the first half of the season given the injuries and lack of the run game. Now that we have our full compliment of weapons, gruden said we were able to open up the entire playbook against the saints.

im wondering if 2-3 games from now, when coordinators have enough film of what our entire offense is supposed to look like, coordinators may be able to scheme better.

im interested to see what our success looks like when d coordinators have enough film to scheme and adjust to our full playbook .. assuming everyone stays healthy so our playbook can stay completely open.

You don't think there's enough film of a Jay Gruden offense out there yet?

Despite what Jay may say, I'm really not sure where we did anything different against the Saints, their D was so horrible we were able to turn basic plays into huge gains.

[over the mountain]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

You don't think there's enough film of a Jay Gruden offense out there yet?

Despite what Jay may say, I'm really not sure where we did anything different against the Saints, their D was so horrible we were able to turn basic plays into huge gains.

I think the Saints game was the first game where Gruden/Mcvay finally, after 2 years, had all their pieces in place with a QB that can run the offense how they want it run. Unfortunately the Saints D is so bad is hard to tell what we did well vs what they did wrong.

finally we werent handicapped or scheming to mask our deficiencies and injuries etc. ..

i just wonder if after a few more games and more film we wont see D coordinators adjusting and we have some offensive production regression.

it will be interesting to watch going forward but this offense is different then the offense the past 7 games and last year imo. different in a good way. great way. as long as we stay healthy, no excuses for the last 7 games. all the pieces are in place. prove yourself.

[30gut]

Originally Posted by over the mountain

....it will be interesting to watch going forward but this offense is different then the offense the past 7 games and last year imo. different in a good way. great way. as long as we stay healthy, no excuses for the last 7 games. all the pieces are in place. prove yourself.

I agree that all the pieces are in place and there are no excuses for Jay/McVay. But like Matty, I disagree that the offense is different.

I don't think the offense has changed very much. The passing concepts are the same (i.e. quick passing WCO largely dependent on run after the catch) Schematically in the run game they're very straight forward about 1st down formations, personnel and play calls (runs). Kirk was very sharp and the Saints defense put up no fight. PFF pointed out that 80% of the passing yards came after the catch. Which is a huge jump from the previously league worst YPA.

I'm curious what differences you've noticed? Maybe I've missed something...the main differences I saw are finally there are runs from shotgun spread formations on 2nd down (not many but some is better then none). Lol, the crazy part is the Saints bit on our shotgun playaction it was awesome to watch. The second schematic difference I noticed is breaking their personnel based run tendencies e.g. by passing to Alfred Morris it makes it less of dead 'run' give away when he's in the game. They also threw more RBs screens then usual (which I like).

But, going back to your earlier point I agree Jay/McVay have all the pieces in place. They're fully stocked. Its time to see what they got.

[Defensewins]

The good teams have a veteran that is great or good enough, and they have a young guy on the bench to groom/develop for the future. So the transition when the veteran's time is up is not a bad transition.
I think we might have found the first part, an average/adequate veteran to get us through. Now we need to find the young gun QB to groom/develop for the future.
I think where the shitty teams screw up is they throw the young guy in too soon because of the pressure to win because they are shitty.

[CRedskinsRule]

I know we have 16mil assigned to the QB spot next year, plus you figure the draft will be providing our backup (though I hear Weeden would be available). I am very confident that these next 2 weeks will go a long way toward figuring out what portion of that 16mill will get taken up keeping KC here or bringing in an older vet (not that there are any that I want). I would think a 4 yr contract that gives him life changing money (1mill base, 14 mil signing bonus, plus escalators and incentives that work out to around 15mil years 2-4) would be about what it takes to sign KC. If he falls flat in the NYG game though, he would drop a lot, because he has to get past them once before he is signed long term.

[Bucket]

McCoy is a good backup. Especially if you think Kirk is the guy going forward for 10 years.

It's not inconceivable to think a QB who doesn't get sacked or hit a lot can't play for till he's 38 39.

[kct1975]

Originally Posted by Bucket

McCoy is a good backup. Especially if you think Kirk is the guy going forward for 10 years.

It's not inconceivable to think a QB who doesn't get sacked or hit a lot can't play for till he's 38 39.

I absolutely agree!