Redskins 2011 Starting Quarterback: John Beck?

[tryfuhl]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

There was a time when Palmer may have been one of the more underrated QBs in the league, now he may be one of the more overrated.

I'm sure he'll be fine somewhere, but I don't want any QB brought here that's older than the guys we have.

No doubt, I don't want anything to do with Palmer right now.

[Dirtbag59]

Quarterback John Beck photocopied the team’s playbook and handed it out to all 10 rookies in attendance at the workouts this week, so Royster finally has been able to see what the Redskins plays look like. Fullback Mike Sellers has served as positional coach, explaining the running backs’ tasks and responsibilities, and critiquing Royster and fellow rookie Roy Helu’s execution.

He had to have gone to FedEx or Kinko's. Lol, I wonder though how Shanahan feels about the possibility of some college part timer getting full access to the Redskins playbook. Of course I have no idea how one person could have photocopied 10 copies of our playbook. That has to at least be 400 pages each meaning 40,000 trees murdered by John Beck. I guess thats just another notch in his belt to go with all the animals he killed.

In other news: Teams considering replacing playbook with iPad

[Chico23231]

Vick was a much much better QB in comparison to VY.

[SmootSmack]

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[Dirtbag59]

In watching that video Beck looks like he has a future in coaching. Actually find it kind of amusing that he projects the same sort of essence as the Elder Shanahan.

[SmootSmack]

I think Kyle and Heimerdinger's offenses aren't all that different. Both favor an aggressive passing game. Why the Titans didn't really execute the philosophy, other than the fact they had CJ, I don't really know.

[SirClintonPortis]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I think Kyle and Heimerdinger's offenses aren't all that different. Both favor an aggressive passing game. Why the Titans didn't really execute the philosophy, other than the fact they had CJ, I don't really know.

I would speculate that their receiving corps was rather meh while both the elder and younger Shannys had a big playmaker on thiers. Brandon Marshall and Andre Johnson are better than what the Titans had/have.

[30gut]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I think Kyle and Heimerdinger's offenses aren't all that different. Both favor an aggressive passing game. Why the Titans didn't really execute the philosophy, other than the fact they had CJ, I don't really know.

I think in this instance 'offense' is a too generic a term because all 3 coaches in essence run the same offense.

But, from a focus and playcalling perspective I think Kyle has clearly showed an unbalance toward the pass that I know Mike Shanahan doesn't share and I would suspect that Heimerdinger doesn't either.

Kyle either caused or was influenced in Houston to focus more on the straight drop back passing aspect of the offense and his offenses have been roughly 60-40 pass to run.(Mike Shanahan career is almost exactly 50-50)

Dinger's play calling style/offense seems much closer to Mike S. then to Kyle, run heavy or run balanced with a focus on run based movement action/play action passing.

I think Kyle philosophically is closer to Andy Ried/Josh McDaniels then he is to Mike Shanahan or run balanced playaction type coach.

Maybe I'm making to sublime I distinction but I think its clearly evident.

To simplify I think Kyle views the offense soley through the eyes of QBs and the WRs.
I think Mike and other run balanced coaches view the offense jointly through the eyes of the QB and the RB.
If that makes sense.

All of this is based on the assumption that Heimerdinger is like Mike Shanahan a run balanced play-action playcaller game planner.

[skinsfaninok]

John Beck: Redskins' Starting Quarterback and the Next Aaron Rodgers? | Bleacher Report

[NLC1054]

The way I look at John Beck is like this; either way, the Redskins are in relatively good position and are in position to dow whatever they want.

If John Beck plays poorly, the Redskins probably finish below .500. I don't think they get less than 6 wins just because of the ease of the schedule, but in all likelihood, they end up with another top ten pick, and that will put Mike back in position to draft his quarterback of the future from an altogether stronger quarterback class than there's been before.

If John Beck is able to pilot the offense to an 8-8 season or 9-7, then the Redskins are still in good position to get their quarterback of the future, and you have a guy who can play for another 2-3 seasons, until the rookie is ready, and maybe another season in the system would mean Beck improves. Then you have two viable quarterback options, which is some much needed long term planning.

And if Beck pulls off a miracle and is a Pro Bowl caliber guy, Mike Shanahan looks like an absolute genius, the Redskins front office is vindicated, and all of us have one less thing to worry about.

It's kind of a win-win-win.

[30gut]

Originally Posted by NLC1054

The way I look at John Beck is like this; either way, the Redskins are in relatively good position and are in position to dow whatever they want.

If John Beck plays poorly, the Redskins probably finish below .500. I don't think they get less than 6 wins just because of the ease of the schedule, but in all likelihood, they end up with another top ten pick, and that will put Mike back in position to draft his quarterback of the future from an altogether stronger quarterback class than there's been before.

If John Beck is able to pilot the offense to an 8-8 season or 9-7, then the Redskins are still in good position to get their quarterback of the future, and you have a guy who can play for another 2-3 seasons, until the rookie is ready, and maybe another season in the system would mean Beck improves. Then you have two viable quarterback options, which is some much needed long term planning.

And if Beck pulls off a miracle and is a Pro Bowl caliber guy, Mike Shanahan looks like an absolute genius, the Redskins front office is vindicated, and all of us have one less thing to worry about.

It's kind of a win-win-win.

I agree with you except for the first part:If John Beck fails.
If they choose John Beck as the starter after passing on every QB in the draft, getting rid of McNabb and not bringing in a FA QB and he fails I think the Shanahan's are gonna be on shaky footing and rightfully so.

It means they chose the wrong QB/failed to create a successful environment for a QB 2 years in a row.

It means 2 wasted seasons.

[NLC1054]

I don't think Dan Snyder is so quick to fire him though. I think he has the same level of respect for him that he had for Joe Gibbs. So many people think that the Redskins are just going to bomb the season anyway (1-15 to 4-12 season predictions and a top three draft pick abound) I'm not sure the media scrutinty would be that intense.

And it's not a wasted season. We get a bunch of young guys valuable playing time, and I thin despite it all we do improve. I think at least the defense will start to find it's way a little bit more.

To me, starting Beck is like if we drafted Blaine Gabbert and he didn't play well. It's the same level of scrutiny, the same "God the Redskins are stupid mentality" from the media at large. It's really no different than drafting and a rookie. Just Blaine Gabbert or Ryan Mallett would be a flashier name.

[30gut]

Originally Posted by NLC1054

I don't think Dan Snyder is so quick to fire him though. I think he has the same level of respect for him that he had for Joe Gibbs. So many people think that the Redskins are just going to bomb the season anyway (1-15 to 4-12 season predictions and a top three draft pick abound) I'm not sure the media scrutinty would be that intense.

And it's not a wasted season. We get a bunch of young guys valuable playing time, and I thin despite it all we do improve. I think at least the defense will start to find it's way a little bit more.

To me, starting Beck is like if we drafted Blaine Gabbert and he didn't play well. It's the same level of scrutiny, the same "God the Redskins are stupid mentality" from the media at large. It's really no different than drafting and a rookie. Just Blaine Gabbert or Ryan Mallett would be a flashier name.

It depends on the moves we make via FA.
If we're aggresive in FA and make win now moves but the team fails=non competitive because of poor QB play then for me its a wasted season.

Starting Beck in many ways is better then drafting a rookie QB except that Beck is 30.

[NLC1054]

Well yeah, he's thirty, but he's not, like, normal thirty. Remember, he went on a Mormon mission before coming back to play football at BYU. It's not like he's got a lot of miles on his body; he's essentially been warming the bench since 2008.

And even at age thirty, if he's good, that still gives us a good five years of stability, possibly more. Plenty of time to draft a suitable "he'll be here for 15 years" kind of guy.

And I think when Bruce Allen said the team would be aggressive in free agency, I think he meant that they would be aggressive in filling the holes they didn't fill. Pretty much any moves the Redskins make are going to be reported as "win now" moves, even if they're rebuilding.

I think mainly they go after offensive linemen, a nose tackle, and a corner. Hardly flashy positions, unless they sign Nnamdi, which I don't think they will.

[30gut]

Originally Posted by NLC1054

And even at age thirty, if he's good, that still gives us a good five years of stability, possibly more. Plenty of time to draft a suitable "he'll be here for 15 years" kind of guy.

Who wants 5 years of stability if he's not the guy?

Pretty much any moves the Redskins make are going to be reported as "win now" moves, even if they're rebuilding.

I don't care how moves are 'reported' if its a win now move its a win now move.
E.g. signing Nnamdi, Cullen Jenkins etc. Good players but both would be win now moves and there is nothing inherently wrong with win now moves coupled with re-building moves IF you actually win now while getting younger.