Should Mike Shanahan be fired?

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Originally Posted by NC_Skins

Still wonder why coaches like Bill Walsh and Bill Belichek get all the glory for winning their SBs even though they've never won without their HoF QBs, but Mike gets zero credit for winning 2 SBs. They give the credit to Elway.



You can't have it both ways. Either Walsh,McCarthy, Tomlin, Johnson, BB, and Mike were ALL carried by their QBs or they weren't.


Fact is, nobody can point to me in the past 2 decades of a coach winning the SB without a stud at the Qb spot. There were only 2 times these past 20 years it hasn't happened.

1) Baltimore Ravens
2) Tampa Bay Bucs


I imagine you can figure out what those two teams had in common.

Cus Belechik and Walsh never went 13 seasons barely sniffing the playoffs for one. Also they built great teams - lott, rice , - etc etc etc till the cows come home. Yes the qb's were there. He is here too. So maybe he will put a great team around Griff but he hasnt yet. You have no better reason to say he will than we to say he wont.

Edit: another thing - nobody wants shanny gone cus he isnt winning superbowls. How bout you look up how many teams have had more than five wins in a season over the past two decades without a stud qb?!?
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[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by punch it in

Cus Belechik and Walsh never went 13 seasons barely sniffing the playoffs for one. Also they built great teams - lott, rice , - etc etc etc till the cows come home. Yes the qb's were there. He is here too. So maybe he will put a great team around Griff but he hasnt yet. You have no better reason to say he will than we to say he wont.

Edit: another thing - nobody wants shanny gone cus he isnt winning superbowls. How bout you look up how many teams have had more than five wins in a season over the past two decades without a stud qb?!?
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Walsh went 2-14 his first season. 6-10 his second season. He drafted Montana in 79 which was his first season. SO he's NEVER EVER coached another team to glory and has had the luxury of a HoF QB his entire tenure.

So how many winning seasons or Super Bowls did either of them win without their HoF QB??


Still haven't heard this answer yet.


This is about giving the man his credit and you guys simply aren't giving him any. You expect him to lead the league in offense with a broken down OL, shit WRs, and a bum QB. Once he gets legit weapons, you then say it's not because of him, but those players.

So again, I ask you, how successful was Walsh or Bellichek without those players? I'll be waiting ....

[DCtoAZ]

this poll is so stupid .. obviously 3-5 is not where we should be but you gotta be kidding me with how he is working with RG3 .. he's an offense guy and we have the best running game and a top 5 QB whose a rookie. Haslett now that's a different story .. btw the season aint over jesus everyone is so quick to jump ship it's annoying ... learn the game people ... 9-7 won super bowl last 2 years .. we can't go 8-8 or 9-7 with 5 DIVISION GAMES LEFT .. yeah we can actually .. Relax enjoy the RG3 show - ... we are a penalty away from possibly winning both Rams and Bengals games oh and yeah we had the Giants by the ball sack and gave that game up on DEFENSE ... just typing this i'm getting annoyed with fair weather skins' fans .. I predict 3 Wins a row inlcuding Turkey Day against the Cowgirls .. hmm that's 6-5 .. why not ? why not the Skins' officially closing the Eagles window next week ? we can't beat Dallas ?? Really ?? Grow a pair buckle down and let's rock n' roll

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by DCtoAZ

this poll is so stupid .. obviously 3-5 is not where we should be but you gotta be kidding me with how he is working with RG3 .. he's an offense guy and we have the best running game and a top 5 QB whose a rookie. Haslett now that's a different story .. btw the season aint over jesus everyone is so quick to jump ship it's annoying ... learn the game people ... 9-7 won super bowl last 2 years .. we can't go 8-8 or 9-7 with 5 DIVISION GAMES LEFT .. yeah we can actually .. Relax enjoy the RG3 show - ... we are a penalty away from possibly winning both Rams and Bengals games oh and yeah we had the Giants by the ball sack and gave that game up on DEFENSE ... just typing this i'm getting annoyed with fair weather skins' fans .. I predict 3 Wins a row inlcuding Turkey Day against the Cowgirls .. hmm that's 6-5 .. why not ? why not the Skins' officially closing the Eagles window next week ? we can't beat Dallas ?? Really ?? Grow a pair buckle down and let's rock n' roll

H y F r!!!

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Originally Posted by DCtoAZ

this poll is so stupid .. obviously 3-5 is not where we should be but you gotta be kidding me with how he is working with RG3 .. he's an offense guy and we have the best running game and a top 5 QB whose a rookie. Haslett now that's a different story .. btw the season aint over jesus everyone is so quick to jump ship it's annoying ... learn the game people ... 9-7 won super bowl last 2 years .. we can't go 8-8 or 9-7 with 5 DIVISION GAMES LEFT .. yeah we can actually .. Relax enjoy the RG3 show - ... we are a penalty away from possibly winning both Rams and Bengals games oh and yeah we had the Giants by the ball sack and gave that game up on DEFENSE ... just typing this i'm getting annoyed with fair weather skins' fans .. I predict 3 Wins a row inlcuding Turkey Day against the Cowgirls .. hmm that's 6-5 .. why not ? why not the Skins' officially closing the Eagles window next week ? we can't beat Dallas ?? Really ?? Grow a pair buckle down and let's rock n' roll

It must be Wednesday. Just about the time we are far enough removed from the prior Sunday. Ive given several pep speeches this year but now matter how buckled up i get my pair they havent kept us from losing. But atleast were "almost winning". There are those words again.


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Originally Posted by NC_Skins

So how many winning seasons or Super Bowls did either of them win without their HoF QB??


Still haven't heard this answer yet.


This is about giving the man his credit and you guys simply aren't giving him any. You expect him to lead the league in offense with a broken down OL, shit WRs, and a bum QB. Once he gets legit weapons, you then say it's not because of him, but those players.

So again, I ask you, how successful was Walsh or Bellichek without those players? I'll be waiting ....

I give coaches credit for winning. I dont care if we lose 100-99 or 100 - 0. I dont care if we got the best offense the best defense and the best hot dogs. Win and i will give him credit.
As for your question on the qb issue i answered you. Its not that black and white. Belechik just very recently won 11 games with gosh darn Matt Cassell. I dont give a flying crap if somehow that wasnt good enough to make the playoffs. And im just supposed to not consider 11 wins. It wasnt 2 wins with Cassell it was ELEVEN. On top of that they both architected or great teams around Montana and Brady. Shanny hasnt done that. He may have just drafted RG-3 - but RG-3 is not your typical rookie. He is playing like a seasoned veteran. We all agree on that. So Shanny is 3-5 with a stud qb. Do you not see the difference between that and the niners and pats? This is where we go into the give him two more years thing. Stay tuned.
Edit: as for Walsh first two seasons - before Montana - that team made the team that Shanny inherited look like a bikini clad super model on a hog farm. Under his guidance the team put several hall of fame/ pro bowl players around Montana. Lets see if Shanny pulls that off? Ill be waiting.

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[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by punch it in

I give coaches credit for winning. I dont care if we lose 100-99 or 100 - 0. I dont care if we got the best offense the best defense and the best hit dogs. Win and i will give him credit.
As for your question on the qb issue i answered you. Its not that black and white. Belechik just very recently won 11 games with gosh darn Matt Cassell. I dont give a flying crap if somehow that wasnt good enough to make the playoffs. And im just supposed to not consider 11 wins. It wasnt 2 wins with Cassell it was ELEVEN. On top of that they both architected or great teams around Montana and Brady. Shanny hasnt done that. He may have just drafted RG-3 - but RG-3 is not your typical rookie. He is playing like a seasoned veteran. We all agree on that. So Shanny is 3-5 with a stud qb. Do you not see the difference between that and the niners and pats? This is where we go into the give him two more years thing. Stay tuned.
Edit: as for Walsh first two seasons - before Montana - that team made the team that Shanny inherited look like a bikini clad super model on a hog farm.

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You want to know why he won 11 games without Brady? You do realize that team went 16-0 the year before and played in the Super Bowl. Did you expect that team drop off that much due to Brady alone? Nope. (also a clear sign that Manning was more important to his team than Brady)


Then explain to me Belichick's .450 winning percentage in Cleveland? Oh wait....YOU CANT.


You guys are a joke. You really are. You pumped up all these other coaches and yet these coaches have HoF QBs. You don't give Mike credit for shit, and when he does win, you turn around and say it's because of the QB.

Well guess ****ing what. Walsh, Belichick and ANY other coach out there winning super bowls and winning consistently has done so with a star at QB. SO either give Mike his due, or don't give anybody else theirs. If he's a bad coach, then so are the rest of the guys I've mentioned.

[Chico23231]

whew, this thread is exhausting. Firing Shanny would just be another embarrassment to the organization. I get the same response from everybody I talk to these days about the Skins usually along the lines "they really got something going now." The direction is up, crazy some dont see it that way.

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Ok im done. Back to the darkness that is post- sandy at the jersey shore. Go Shanny. Make me proud. Lets beat the hell out of Carolina and make our bye week a good one. If im lucky ill have power back for turkey day in dallas.


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[NC_Skins]

I have no problem with people criticizing Mike. He's made several mistakes, and I'm sure he'll make more during his tenure. However, it's disheartening to see fans hate on the man just to hate on him. When the man is starting to get blamed for INTs and fumbles, that's simply hating just to hate. Have some legit gripes.


1) McNabb trade and Jamal Brown trade
2) Lack of discipline with penalty's and coaching staff (son)
3) Exposing QB to unnecessary hits
4) Not getting a good DC to run the 3-4
5) Questionable personnel moves?
...

Sometimes I feel as if the guy came into your house and kicked your dog. Some of you fans want to give him no credit for his SBs in Denver, and want to give him no credit for our offense doing a complete turnaround.

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Originally Posted by NC_Skins

You want to know why he won 11 games without Brady? You do realize that team went 16-0 the year before and played in the Super Bowl. Did you expect that team drop off that much due to Brady alone? Nope. (also a clear sign that Manning was more important to his team than Brady)


Then explain to me Belichick's .450 winning percentage in Cleveland? Oh wait....YOU CANT.


You guys are a joke. You really are. You pumped up all these other coaches and yet these coaches have HoF QBs. You don't give Mike credit for shit, and when he does win, you turn around and say it's because of the QB.

Well guess ****ing what. Walsh, Belichick and ANY other coach out there winning super bowls and winning consistently has done so with a star at QB. SO either give Mike his due, or don't give anybody else theirs. If he's a bad coach, then so are the rest of the guys I've mentioned.

I dont give a shit about what he did 15 years ago dude! I know BB won not just because of Brady. Cus he built a great ****ing team! I just said that! You take rg-3 away and were 0-7. Your proving my point for me now. I give all the credit in the world for winning two superbowls 15 years ago. Never said i didnt. Im concerned about what he is doing here. Losing! Losing without a great qb and losing with a great qb. Christ.

Edit: BB took that shit ass Browns team to the playoffs one of those four years. 11 wins. Now im really leaving. You may have the final word. I have said my peace.
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[MTK]

Originally Posted by punch it in

I dont give a shit about what he did 15 years ago dude! I know BB won not just because of Brady. Cus he built a great ****ing team! I just said that! You take rg-3 away and were 0-7. Your proving my point for me now. I give all the credit in the world for winning two superbowls 15 years ago. Never said i didnt. Im concerned about what he is doing here. Losing! Losing without a great qb and losing with a great qb. Christ.

Edit: BB took that shit ass Browns team to the playoffs one of those four years. 11 wins. Now im really leaving. You may have the final word. I have said my peace.
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I look at it as we're losing with a bad D. Not sure how we can ask for much more at this point from RG3. He's holding up his end of the bargain.

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by punch it in

I dont give a shit about what he did 15 years ago dude! I know BB won not just because of Brady. Cus he built a great ****ing team! I just said that! You take rg-3 away and were 0-7. Your proving my point for me now. I give all the credit in the world for winning two superbowls 15 years ago. Never said i didnt. Im concerned about what he is doing here. Losing! Losing without a great qb and losing with a great qb. Christ.


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We didn't go 0-7 with Rex and Beck so not buying it bro. RGIII is valuable, but many of you are acting as he's doing this all by himself.

Is he also blocking for Morris? Blocking for himself? How about the YAC from his receivers? He kicking FGs (or missing them?) How's RGIII's punts look?

While he's definitely the most valuable person on the team, I think you are putting too much into him.

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

I have no problem with people criticizing Mike. He's made several mistakes, and I'm sure he'll make more during his tenure. However, it's disheartening to see fans hate on the man just to hate on him. When the man is starting to get blamed for INTs and fumbles, that's simply hating just to hate. Have some legit gripes.


1) McNabb trade and Jamal Brown trade
2) Lack of discipline with penalty's and coaching staff (son)
3) Exposing QB to unnecessary hits
4) Not getting a good DC to run the 3-4
5) Questionable personnel moves?
...

Sometimes I feel as if the guy came into your house and kicked your dog. Some of you fans want to give him no credit for his SBs in Denver, and want to give him no credit for our offense doing a complete turnaround.

Everytime i try to leave - they pull me back in. Lol. Only to say this though. Elway was a shell of himself when Shanny won two. I have never said he won because of Elway. If you say that you are too young to remember It. You see the owner saying " this ones fir John!" You see him sneaking into the endzone. Elway was at the end of his career literally. I do not blame Shanny for fumbles or dropped passes. - that is stupid. He has not had real sustained success at any point over the last 15 years. I love the offense. I love the run game. I hate losing. I hate excuses. I hate holding my breath. Its uncomfortable. I hope to hell Shanny puts together a run like he did in the late 1990's for the Redskins. I truly truly do.


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Originally Posted by Mattyk

I look at it as we're losing with a bad D. Not sure how we can ask for much more at this point from RG3. He's holding up his end of the bargain.

He sure as hell is Matty. He is aces up and down in my book. Kid is money - smart- a good kid - all the tools. He will win championships with the Redskins. I dont care who the hell his coach is to tell you the truth. He is special as all hell.


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