Update: McCain Selects Gov. Sarah Palin as Running Mate

[dmek25]

first, what is your opinion of Gov. Palin?

[saden1]

Your surrogates aren't suppose to stab you in the neck are they? Listening to the clip makes you wonder if Carly Fiorina should be fired once again.

[saden1]

What a difference one day makes eh? This guys is not really bright is he? Or maybe he lacks foresight? Or maybe he just discovered compassion? Or maybe he tossed principles overboard?

[BleedBurgundy]

Originally Posted by saden1

What a difference one day makes eh? This guys is not really bright is he? Or maybe he lacks foresight? Or maybe he just discovered compassion? Or maybe he tossed principles overboard?

Or maybe he just looked at all of the facts and allowed them to sway his opinion, instead of clinging to an obviously mistaken view.

[hooskins]

Originally Posted by BleedBurgundy

Or maybe he just looked at all of the facts and allowed them to sway his opinion, instead of clinging to an obviously mistaken view.

hm but wouldn't that make him a "flip-flopper"?

[saden1]

Originally Posted by BleedBurgundy

Or maybe he just looked at all of the facts and allowed them to sway his opinion, instead of clinging to an obviously mistaken view.

How absurd...the facts have been right there in front of him and all of us all along. It doesn't take a genius to figure out letting AIG and Lehman Brothers fail at the same time will lead to disaster in the financial. I expect more from the man aspiring to lead this nation, I expect him to have foresight and you should too.

[BleedBurgundy]

Originally Posted by saden1

How absurd...the facts have been right there in front of him and all of us all along. It doesn't take a genius to figure out letting AIG and Lehman Brothers fail at the same time will lead to disaster in the financial. I expect more from the man aspiring to lead this nation, I expect him to have foresight and you should too.

Foresight in general yes, but more acutely in his area(s) of expertise, much more so. But I don't expect the President to necessarily be an economic guru. My gut reaction to hearing about the bail out was "No effing way, not another one." But, after thinking about the ripple effect such a massive failure would have on the economy, you realize that despite your philosophical objections there really isn't another option. I mean, I watch Man Vs Wild all the time. The guy drinks his own urine in order to survive, but that doesn't mean that he can't bitch about the taste it leaves in his mouth.

That said, I understand McCain's initial reaction because I shared it. I would assume that one of his many advisers briefed him and gave him additional perspective therefore he changed his mind. The principles of "small government" do not condone buying up companies in the manner which we have recently seen. Any person that would be all about backing these big corporations with taxpayer money and not at least voice some apprehension would worry me. Again, nothing I'm saying is an attack on Obama, more of a general defense that no one person is going to automatically know the correct course of action. The willingness to listen and then have an informed opinion is of great benefit and one of the primary qualities I look for in a leader.

And regarding Hooskin's comment about "flip flopping," I thought that was the most ridiculous criticism made during the last election and I have not changed that opinion. The term literally gives me a migraine every time I hear/read it. I see nothing wrong with someone becoming more educated on a subject and changing their mind. I have a real hard time with someone so dedicated to dogma that they refuse to see the forest for the trees.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by BleedBurgundy

Foresight in general yes, but more acutely in his area(s) of expertise, much more so. But I don't expect the President to necessarily be an economic guru. My gut reaction to hearing about the bail out was "No effing way, not another one." But, after thinking about the ripple effect such a massive failure would have on the economy, you realize that despite your philosophical objections there really isn't another option. I mean, I watch Man Vs Wild all the time. The guy drinks his own urine in order to survive, but that doesn't mean that he can't bitch about the taste it leaves in his mouth.

That said, I understand McCain's initial reaction because I shared it. I would assume that one of his many advisers briefed him and gave him additional perspective therefore he changed his mind. The principles of "small government" do not condone buying up companies in the manner which we have recently seen. Any person that would be all about backing these big corporations with taxpayer money and not at least voice some apprehension would worry me. Again, nothing I'm saying is an attack on Obama, more of a general defense that no one person is going to automatically know the correct course of action. The willingness to listen and then have an informed opinion is of great benefit and one of the primary qualities I look for in a leader.

And regarding Hooskin's comment about "flip flopping," I thought that was the most ridiculous criticism made during the last election and I have not changed that opinion. The term literally gives me a migraine every time I hear/read it. I see nothing wrong with someone becoming more educated on a subject and changing their mind. I have a real hard time with someone so dedicated to dogma that they refuse to see the forest for the trees.

That, and let's not act as if they are now OWNED by the government. They are going to have to pay the interest on this loan in order to say in business. Granted, the U.S. government had to either grant them a loan to buy them time and get it turned around, or let them file for bankruptcy, but it's not as if the U.S. government is now running the day to day operations of AIG.

Because that would be a total disaster.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by saden1

What a difference one day makes eh? This guys is not really bright is he? Or maybe he lacks foresight? Or maybe he just discovered compassion? Or maybe he tossed principles overboard?

I see you hold McCain to higher standars then you do Obama.

[onlydarksets]

Originally Posted by firstdown

I see you hold McCain to higher standars then you do Obama.

Everyone holds the other candidate to a higher standard than their own.

[saden1]

Originally Posted by firstdown

I see you hold McCain to higher standars then you do Obama.

I see you're being vague. Care to elaborate?

[wilsowilso]

Keep talking John McCain. Please please please keep talking about the economy.

[saden1]

Originally Posted by BleedBurgundy

Foresight in general yes, but more acutely in his area(s) of expertise, much more so. But I don't expect the President to necessarily be an economic guru. My gut reaction to hearing about the bail out was "No effing way, not another one." But, after thinking about the ripple effect such a massive failure would have on the economy, you realize that despite your philosophical objections there really isn't another option. I mean, I watch Man Vs Wild all the time. The guy drinks his own urine in order to survive, but that doesn't mean that he can't bitch about the taste it leaves in his mouth.

That said, I understand McCain's initial reaction because I shared it. I would assume that one of his many advisers briefed him and gave him additional perspective therefore he changed his mind. The principles of "small government" do not condone buying up companies in the manner which we have recently seen. Any person that would be all about backing these big corporations with taxpayer money and not at least voice some apprehension would worry me. Again, nothing I'm saying is an attack on Obama, more of a general defense that no one person is going to automatically know the correct course of action. The willingness to listen and then have an informed opinion is of great benefit and one of the primary qualities I look for in a leader.

And regarding Hooskin's comment about "flip flopping," I thought that was the most ridiculous criticism made during the last election and I have not changed that opinion. The term literally gives me a migraine every time I hear/read it. I see nothing wrong with someone becoming more educated on a subject and changing their mind. I have a real hard time with someone so dedicated to dogma that they refuse to see the forest for the trees.

Listen bro, I don't want to bailout these companies but when I hear AIG, Merrill Lynch and Lehman Brothers are in deep trouble I know what's up and what has to be done! Why? Because I know what these companies do and the impact of their failure! I know that we aught to bail them even though I wish we didn't have to.

The moral of the story is know what the fuck you're talking about before you open your mouth. McCain opened his big mouth and left no doubt with respect to his foolishness. Finally, some folks should be going to jail for these colossal failures.

[BleedBurgundy]

Originally Posted by saden1

Listen bro, I don't want to bailout these companies but when I hear AIG, Merrill Lynch and Lehman Brothers are in deep trouble I know what's up and what has to be done! Why? Because I know what these companies do and the impact of their failure! I know that we aught to bail them even though I wish we didn't have to.

The moral of the story is know what the fuck you're talking about before you open your mouth. McCain opened his big mouth and left no doubt with respect to his foolishness. Finally, some folks should be going to jail for these colossal failures.

That I can agree with. I still respect the candor with which the remarks were made and have no problem with taking umbrage with the idea of a bail out. I have no problem with anyone criticizing McCain's view point, but I don't see justification for going after someone changing their mind in order to make a correct decision.

[mheisig]

The hand wringing and panic around all this is absurd. It's a rough time but if history is any teacher it will smooth out over the long run.

I find it laughable that apparently the same people that complain that Bush is a fascist want the government to step in and bail out every failing company that comes along. The government has its nose in too many things to begin with and a huge portion of the population just wants to give it more power - terrifying if you ask me.

Who is supposed to pay for this stuff? You whine about taxes being too high and then demand that the government fund every last social program and bail every struggling company out of its self-made quagmire. The money has to come from somewhere, unless you just want to print more and continue to devalue it.

Let the damn market work itself out, it always has and probably always will. In the meantime, quit watching every three point fluctuation and go read a history book.