Ongoing CBA discussions

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Talking is better than not talking, even if it's forced. Crazy that the gov't hammered out a deal but the NFL can't.

It took a date-with-disaster deadline for the government to move. Sadly the same may apply to the NFL.

Of course, the silver lining difference in situation is that the NFL standoff has Susan Nelson in the middle and she can kick some ass and take names.

[sportscurmudgeon]

Originally Posted by Lotus

It took a date-with-disaster deadline for the government to move. Sadly the same may apply to the NFL.

Of course, the silver lining difference in situation is that the NFL standoff has Susan Nelson in the middle and she can kick some ass and take names.

Wish that this were the case - - but I doubt it.

She can suggest that the sides get together and talk but I doubt that she can order them to do so or else she will find both sides in contempt of court and put them all behind bars. [Come to think of it, THAT might solve this problem quickly...]

She cannot force either side to agree to anything when/if they do agree to any more negotiating on their own or with a mediator.

Plus, whatever she decides is going to face an appeal no matter which side sees itself as the "loser" here. It is even possible that her ruling will contain something that both sides find unpalatable such that both sides appeal the ruling.

No offense to Judge Nelson here, but she is but one cog in a much larger legal wheel that will turn for a while before all of this is settled - - outside of her courtroom...

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by sportscurmudgeon

Wish that this were the case - - but I doubt it.

She can suggest that the sides get together and talk but I doubt that she can order them to do so or else she will find both sides in contempt of court and put them all behind bars. [Come to think of it, THAT might solve this problem quickly...]

She cannot force either side to agree to anything when/if they do agree to any more negotiating on their own or with a mediator.

Plus, whatever she decides is going to face an appeal no matter which side sees itself as the "loser" here. It is even possible that her ruling will contain something that both sides find unpalatable such that both sides appeal the ruling.

No offense to Judge Nelson here, but she is but one cog in a much larger legal wheel that will turn for a while before all of this is settled - - outside of her courtroom...

I don't disagree with anything that you said except that the concept of putting people behind bars goes too far. She does have the power to grant the injunction to end the lockout. Sure, that will be appealed, but that still means more forward progress than with Jerry Jones banging his fist and being totally uncooperative without penalty, as we saw before.

Plus, in the longer term she may be overseeing things as Doty did before. That creates a stick for both sides to play relatively nice and cooperatively.

Further, she can really damage the PR built up by either side. For example, if owners are in clear violation of her requests, it will be easy to perceive them as the greedy bad guys.

My original comparison was to the government shutdown threat, which had no referee with teeth in between the parties. Nelson may have limited teeth but they are better than no teeth at all.

[CRedskinsRule]

The sides have been sent to the Judge's chamber:

Cindy Boren:
Judge orders NFL, players to resume talks under supervision of mediator from federal court system in Minneapolis. NFL, players ordered to resume talks - The Washington Post

The judge's Bio (short and sweet) from Minnesota Court page:
Guidant MDL | United States District Court - District of Minnesota

The definition of a Federal Magistrate (From Judgepedia - yeah I LOL@that)
Federal magistrate judge - Judgepedia

[Ruhskins]

So, who's going to send Matty and SmootSmack to mediation when they have their disagreements? LOL.

[NC_Skins]

Report: Group of players want to intervene into mediation | ProFootballTalk

That didn't take long...lol


Probably some of these idiots.

Report: NFL players using risky loans during lockout - NFL News | FOX Sports on MSN

[SmootSmack]

Brady v. NFL stipulation of time agreed on, again - CBSSports.com

[JoeRedskin]

Sorry, I missed it - How did we get on steroid use? Are the lawyers injecting PED's to gain an advantage in the Courtroom? Should they all be required to pee in a cup before be allowed to sit at the negotiating table?

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

Sorry, I missed it - How did we get on steroid use? Are the lawyers injecting PED's to gain an advantage in the Courtroom? Should they all be required to pee in a cup before be allowed to sit at the negotiating table?

You need a blood test for HGH.

[Dirtbag59]

HAHA HAHA HA: Good one!

[Longtimefan]

A modified salary system for rookies was a negotiating point for a new CBA until talks broke off March 11 and the NFLPA dissolved as a union.

NFL aims to soften blow from bad draft picks - Washington Times

[Lotus]

Now former players are suing the NFLPA. Football has become a lawsuit fiesta!

Ex-NFL stars sue players association - NFL - Yahoo! Sports

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by Lotus

Now former players are suing the NFLPA. Football has become a lawsuit fiesta!

Ex-NFL stars sue players association - NFL - Yahoo! Sports

Ya know when the pot reaches 9billion, every lawyer in the country (except our Warpath elite lawyers) starts wondering who they can represent and get a bit of that. I expect that pretty soon parking lot attendants and concessionaires will have lawyers and a class action suit.

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[skinsfaninok]

NFL.com news: 'Some progress' in labor talks on day NFL schedule released

[CRedskinsRule]

So as we await Judge Nelson's ruling any lawyers out there want to fill us lay people in on why it might have taken her two + weeks. By this, I mean to ask - what is the usual time for an injunction of this nature, and is she doing additional studies and research, or is it mainly a matter of the backlog in her other court tasks and trials. Is this the only case she is dealing with (I would find that hard to believe). I am sure she wants to make as certain as possible that her decision will stand up through appeals, what amount of that research will she do on her own, how much will be thru the use of court researchers?