Trayvon Martin Case

[JoeRedskin]

Transfers of $10,000 or more must be reported by the bank. Seems pretty clear to me that the amount indicates an intent keep the bank from reporting it.

Bank Secrecy Act - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Wow. Some serious lying happening ... and some serious stupidity. You really think you can claim being penniless and not have your banking and financial records subpoenaed?

[saden1]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

Transfers of $10,000 or more must be reported by the bank. Seems pretty clear to me that the amount indicates an intent keep the bank from reporting it.

Bank Secrecy Act - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Wow. Some serious lying happening ... and some serious stupidity. You really think you can claim being penniless and not have your banking and financial records subpoenaed?

"Zimmerman instructed his wife to "pay off all the bills," which included those for American Express and Sam’s Club credit cards."

LOL, these people are seriously beyond stupid. Not only are they taking money as if there won't be record of it but they are using it to pay-off personal debt. I wonder if all that money can ever be considered tax exempt now?

I would be super pissed to know the money isn't going towards a legal defense fund but to payoff their debt.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

Transfers of $10,000 or more must be reported by the bank. Seems pretty clear to me that the amount indicates an intent keep the bank from reporting it.

Bank Secrecy Act - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Wow. Some serious lying happening ... and some serious stupidity. You really think you can claim being penniless and not have your banking and financial records subpoenaed?

They could also be so stupid they thought they were hiding the money from the IRS and not the judge. If I'm correct didn't they bring up the money to their lawyer and then he disclosed the money to the courts.

[Chico23231]

Hiding the second passport in the safety deposit box? Yeah, this guy was gonna make a run for it. 9,999 transfers are laughable...also using the money to pay off credit card bills? lol wow

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by saden1

Wow...seriously? $9,999?

Shellie Zimmerman Arrested: George Zimmerman's Wife Charged With Perjury

My head hurts seeing the type of stupidity displayed here. What went through their feeble minds? A nationally scrutinized case, in which the governor of the state and federal agencies got involved, and you think you were going to somehow get that by them without noticing? Those guys are going to comb through his shit just to find a kernel out of place, never the less bust him on a perjury/lying charge. What a huge dumbass. Both of them.

Originally Posted by Chico23231

Hiding the second passport in the safety deposit box? Yeah, this guy was gonna make a run for it. 9,999 transfers are laughable...also using the money to pay off credit card bills? lol wow

I wouldn't say they were going to run for it. Why would you bother paying off bills if you were going to make a run for it.

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

My head hurts seeing the type of stupidity displayed here. What went through their feeble minds? A nationally scrutinized case, in which the governor of the state and federal agencies got involved, and you think you were going to somehow get that by them without noticing? Those guys are going to comb through his shit just to find a kernel out of place, never the less bust him on a perjury/lying charge. What a huge dumbass. Both of them.




I wouldn't say they were going to run for it. Why would you bother paying off bills if you were going to make a run for it.

A paid-off Amex bill could free up credit card space to help a run. Sam's Club is perhaps a different story. And yes, running by using a credit card would be dumb, but have these characters shown any sense?

[Chico23231]

Anybody notice Shellie Zimmerman has an uncanny resemblance to the b-movie actress Divine? Nice catch there George

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

Hiding the second passport in the safety deposit box? Yeah, this guy was gonna make a run for it. 9,999 transfers are laughable...also using the money to pay off credit card bills? lol wow

If your planning to run why would you pay off you credit cards?

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by Lotus

A paid-off Amex bill could free up credit card space to help a run. Sam's Club is perhaps a different story. And yes, running by using a credit card would be dumb, but have these characters shown any sense?

The Amex card wouldn't help you either, because law enforcement could easily track you, and chances are they would probably have the credit card company disable it as well. Cold hard cash is what you would want on the run.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by firstdown

If your planning to run why would you pay off you credit cards?

i dunno, why do you walk around with a gun chasing down unarmed teenagers and then shooting them in your neighborhood?

i mean honestly, hasnt he proven to be a well thought out individual?

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

i dunno, why do you walk around with a gun chasing down unarmed teenagers and then shooting them in your neighborhood?

i mean honestly, hasnt he proven to be a well thought out individual?

That was my point. It seems like we should expect stupidity from him.

[mlmpetert]

Anyone know how much credit card debt they had?

JoeRedskins - i would suspect in a case like this Zimmerman's wife would be one his better witnesses. She doesnt have to testify against him, she can only testify for him. So now if she gets called up, the first thing the prosecutor would ask her is "have you ever been charged with a crime involving lying, deceit or perjury?", and let it all go downhill from there.

This had been a pretty open and shut not guilty case to me (by FL law), does this change anything in your opinion? Big deal or not so big? Can she be forced to testify at all? If not do you think she will?

[saden1]

As a defense lawyer I don't know how you can have a perjurer on the stand...seems to me that is a huge liability rather than an asset.

Unethical people do stupid unethical things....lady karma strikes again.

[saden1]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

i dunno, why do you walk around with a gun chasing down unarmed teenagers and then shooting them in your neighborhood?

i mean honestly, hasnt he proven to be a well thought out individual?

LOL...they make quite a pair. I still don't understand how people can assert his innocence without a shadow of a doubt in light of the couples complete dishonesty.

[JoeRedskin]

My opinion had been that this is a manslaughter case at best b/c nobody knows - beyond a reasonable doubt - that Zimmerman initiated the physical confrontation (negating the self-defense claim) or acted with "reckless disregard" (standard for gross negligence & 2nd degree murder) for Martin's safety. [I know others believe Zimm's known actions constituted an initation of the physical confrontation or constituted the requisite "reckless disregard" - based on my understanding of those to legal principles, I disagree but am not going to argue the isssue at this point.]

Do I think this changes things - yup. The wife gets up on the stand and she is pretty much doomed. Zimmerman almost has to testify to assert his "self-defense" defense. Once he does, he will (and should be) crossed mercilessly on his assertion of self defense. I don't know what status of the spousal immunity laws are in FL. Could the prosecution call her? Probably. Would they? Maybe. I probably would but it would also depend on a lot of other factors that go into case presentation that I haven't really looked at. Bottom line - Zimm's "poor little ol' me" defense has just taken a serious blow.

In a case where his affirmative defense places considerable reliance [EDIT: relies almost exclusively] on his credibility, he just torpedeod it. It still is the State's burden to show gross negligence (for 2nd degree) but Zimmerman will be taking a big risk if he gets on the stand to dispute the evidence presented.

I think this went from a likely not guilty with a possibility of manslaughter to a likelihood of manslaughter with a possibility of 2nd degree murder. Again, just my opinion - I am sure others here see it differently.