Our next coach??

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

We all know Snyder is going to PURSUE a big name HC. The question is, will we find one willing to come here? Right now, Shanahan is the only one who hasnt essentially closed the door 100% on coaching the skins. And I personally don't think Shanahan will come here. So where does that leave us?

Brian Billick!...seriously though, Marty Schottenheimer....honestly though, Joe Gibbs...no lie, Pete Carroll...in all seriousness, Pat Summit

[freddyg12]

To follow the Martz idea, has anyone mentioned Dick Jauron?

I watched buffalo a few times during his tenure there & it seemed he really got a lot out of a talent challenged team. They always played hard & were tough to beat.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by freddyg12

To follow the Martz idea, has anyone mentioned Dick Jauron?

I watched buffalo a few times during his tenure there & it seemed he really got a lot out of a talent challenged team. They always played hard & were tough to beat.

Well, I think Dick Jauron also struggled in Chicago. He's another guy who probably isn't seen at this moment as head coach material. Especially not in a major market like DC.

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Well, I think Dick Jauron also struggled in Chicago. He's another guy who probably isn't seen at this moment as head coach material. Especially not in a major market like DC.

Talk about bad body language from a coach, he always looks like he just buried his best friend. I don't know if I've seen a smile ever cross his face or him get animated at anything.

[pdr76]

The front office in STL worked completely against each other (major infighting) during Martz's time. His head coaching record is outstanding and I was not his biggest fan but it is hard to argue with the results he produced. In each stop in Detroit and SF, his offense improved dramatically from the year prior to him.

If Lovie Smith stays in Chicago, I could see him helping his old friend out there as OC since Ron Turner is well, let's say not good.

I am just disgusted that this conversation even exists. I think Zorn has some faults but has shown signs of improvement given some of the garbage he was given by the front office. I still don't know what coach in their right mind would think the Redskins and the current front office structure is a great opportunity. Schottenheimer made some pretty good comments yesterday about Cerrato and it probably isn't a stretch to say more NFL people respect Marty than Cerrato but at least Snyder likes Cerrato. Right? Because that relationship has worked out so well for us. Right? Ha.

[freddyg12]

Originally Posted by pdr76

The front office in STL worked completely against each other (major infighting) during Martz's time. His head coaching record is outstanding and I was not his biggest fan but it is hard to argue with the results he produced. In each stop in Detroit and SF, his offense improved dramatically from the year prior to him.

If Lovie Smith stays in Chicago, I could see him helping his old friend out there as OC since Ron Turner is well, let's say not good.

I am just disgusted that this conversation even exists. I think Zorn has some faults but has shown signs of improvement given some of the garbage he was given by the front office. I still don't know what coach in their right mind would think the Redskins and the current front office structure is a great opportunity. Schottenheimer made some pretty good comments yesterday about Cerrato and it probably isn't a stretch to say more NFL people respect Marty than Cerrato but at least Snyder likes Cerrato. Right? Because that relationship has worked out so well for us. Right? Ha.

when I saw those marty comments I wondered if maybe, just maybe, that would get to Danny & cause him some regret, or at least some reflection on how his relationship w/vinny may have hindered the team. Sometimes it takes a guy like Marty to say something like that before it hits home.

Hopefully Marty just did us all a big favor!

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by pdr76

The front office in STL worked completely against each other (major infighting) during Martz's time. His head coaching record is outstanding and I was not his biggest fan but it is hard to argue with the results he produced. In each stop in Detroit and SF, his offense improved dramatically from the year prior to him.

If Lovie Smith stays in Chicago, I could see him helping his old friend out there as OC since Ron Turner is well, let's say not good.

I am just disgusted that this conversation even exists. I think Zorn has some faults but has shown signs of improvement given some of the garbage he was given by the front office. I still don't know what coach in their right mind would think the Redskins and the current front office structure is a great opportunity. Schottenheimer made some pretty good comments yesterday about Cerrato and it probably isn't a stretch to say more NFL people respect Marty than Cerrato but at least Snyder likes Cerrato. Right? Because that relationship has worked out so well for us. Right? Ha.

Yeah I remember Zygmunt and Martz had some major issues. I think Zygmunt may have been just as hated in St. Louis as VC here.

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by pdr76

The front office in STL worked completely against each other (major infighting) during Martz's time. His head coaching record is outstanding and I was not his biggest fan but it is hard to argue with the results he produced. In each stop in Detroit and SF, his offense improved dramatically from the year prior to him.

If Lovie Smith stays in Chicago, I could see him helping his old friend out there as OC since Ron Turner is well, let's say not good.

I am just disgusted that this conversation even exists. I think Zorn has some faults but has shown signs of improvement given some of the garbage he was given by the front office. I still don't know what coach in their right mind would think the Redskins and the current front office structure is a great opportunity. Schottenheimer made some pretty good comments yesterday about Cerrato and it probably isn't a stretch to say more NFL people respect Marty than Cerrato but at least Snyder likes Cerrato. Right? Because that relationship has worked out so well for us. Right? Ha.

There is no doubt Zorn got rooked. No doubt Zorn was not able to bring in everyone he wanted to help coach. However he was able to bring in a few coach's who could help him with the task. Not that that solves everything. Now having said that keep in mind that whatever he has tried to occomplish has failed here. You simply can't at the end of the season say as an owner "Oh I made a mistake so I'm going to allow Zorn to fire anyone he wants and bring in whoever he needs as coach's and try to get this thing right." That doesn't happen. No matter how much DS knows he did Zorn wrong, Zorn will be the scape goat in order to handle it right this time around or so DS can try to get one of the big names.

Plus I don't feel too sorry for Zorn. His play calling has sucked. His plays were bland. All that has been taken away from him and we look better. Our only problem right now is our 2 min. drill for which Zorn still has control. If he showed marked improvement in the 2 min. drill and Red Zone I would be more inclined to say maybe he should stay as a figure head and keep Sherm Lewis as OC and next year maybe with "consistancy" this team will progress, but I don't see it. Zorn has been a failed science project. It's time to move on.

[freddyg12]

Also, has Dennis Green considered coming back to the sideline?

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by freddyg12

Also, has Dennis Green considered coming back to the sideline?

He's coaching in the UFL isn't he? He reportedly has no interest in leaving the west coast.

[SBXVII]

No one will be willing to take the job as long as VC is still with the team. I heard on the Junkies today that Marty is now being more vocal about his situation here with the Skins. Supposedly VC came to him mad and told him when he was first hired that Snyder maybe listening to him (Marty) about on the field stuff but Snyder would listen to him (Cerrato) about everything else. Then Cerrato was fired. Marty stayed the year and left and guess what Cerrato was brought back.

I honestly don't know what Snyder see's in Cerrato. The Skins are the but of most owners jokes simply cause we have Cerrato screwing everything up.

and another thing, we have a bad ending to the season last yr and only a few people chimed in that Zorn/Cerrato must go. This yr we start out bad at the begining of the yr and everyone is chanting Vinny and Zorn must go. Left with mediocracy long enough and some of you guys are wore down all ready. "Oh it's not that bad", "It's all about consistancy", "We should keep Zorn", "If Cerrato stays I'll be all right with it." On and on.

I know we might not have much control over those things but no Cerrato needs to go. If we are going to look into picking up anyone worth their weight in gold then Cerrato needs to go. Pick up someone else who either has a track record for building good teams and pay them a mint or look for the next up and commer. The only way any good HC is going to finally take the Skins job is if they completely understand Cerrato is not here or has no (none) control with anything player related. Well other then maybe contracts.

[freddyg12]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

No one will be willing to take the job as long as VC is still with the team. I heard on the Junkies today that Marty is now being more vocal about his situation here with the Skins. Supposedly VC came to him mad and told him when he was first hired that Snyder maybe listening to him (Marty) about on the field stuff but Snyder would listen to him (Cerrato) about everything else. Then Cerrato was fired. Marty stayed the year and left and guess what Cerrato was brought back.

I honestly don't know what Snyder see's in Cerrato. The Skins are the but of most owners jokes simply cause we have Cerrato screwing everything up.

and another thing, we have a bad ending to the season last yr and only a few people chimed in that Zorn/Cerrato must go. This yr we start out bad at the begining of the yr and everyone is chanting Vinny and Zorn must go. Left with mediocracy long enough and some of you guys are wore down all ready. "Oh it's not that bad", "It's all about consistancy", "We should keep Zorn", "If Cerrato stays I'll be all right with it." On and on.

I know we might not have much control over those things but no Cerrato needs to go. If we are going to look into picking up anyone worth their weight in gold then Cerrato needs to go. Pick up someone else who either has a track record for building good teams and pay them a mint or look for the next up and commer. The only way any good HC is going to finally take the Skins job is if they completely understand Cerrato is not here or has no (none) control with anything player related. Well other then maybe contracts.

I would agree that vinny needs to go, or at least that a real GM w/separation of powers needs to be put in place. I don't think it's fair to say Zorn must go at this point. Let him finish the year & see if he can get some wins. He's improving as a coach IMO.

[SBXVII]

Here's the article about what Marty had to say....

D.C. Sports Bog - Schottenheimer on Cerrato

the thing that sticks out most:

"I've said for a long time, in my opinion the problem down there--obviously it starts at the top with Dan--but [the problem] is Cerrato," Schottenheimer said Thursday. "I don't particularly respect the guy. He and I had our issues when we were there. Basically what he said was, 'Marty, Dan may be listening to you during the preseason,' he says. 'But wait until I get up in the owner's box during the regular season, and then we'll see who Dan listens to.'

[pdr76]

We all know that Snyder wants Shanahan BUT what about the reports that Cerrato may be safe with Shanahan? I would rather blow this thing entirely up and get the right structure in place, even if that meant another 3 years of mediocrity. I have had the last 10 years of mediocrity with Snyder, I can wait another 3. This team is too stupid to realize the wrongs in giving a head coach complete control. Can someone name the last very successful team that had the coach and GM as the same person? I think time and time again it has been shown that that structure does not work. The main problem is if you dont fix the front office structure, you are looking at added time of mediocrity......say repeat the same mistakes, fire the coach in 3 season, then get it right but have to wait another few season for that to pay off. Frustrating? just a little.

[MTK]

I've gone back and forth on Zorn all year, but I'm starting to firm up my view. I think he needs to go.

Going back to the 2nd half of last year is record right now is 5-15. Chew on that for a minute.

The offense only showed improvement when Sherm Lewis was brought in and his playcalling duties were stripped. The guy has no real power or clout in the locker room, it's been pretty clear through his tenure here that Vinny is calling most of the shots and the players know that. Zorn wasn't even able to assemble his own staff.

I love that the team has played their hearts out these last few weeks, but I'm not so sure how much of that credit can really go to Zorn. The players know Zorn is on his way out. Guys are playing hard because they know it's evaluation time for the next staff that comes in, or they are trying to spice up the resume for another team.