Redskins agree to trade for No.2 overall pick in 2012 Draft

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

Did I miss something? Beck was not a draft pick and I don't recall the team giving up a draft pick for him... did they? and you didn't like any of the QB's in the draft last yr? Newton? I'll be honest I didn't like him at the time but he supprised me. I like Dalton and he did better then I expected.

Why did the choice have to be between RGIII or a RT? I would have figured they would have taken the next best QB in the draft or WR.

We got Beck in a trade for the immortal future HoFer Doug Dutch.

[That Guy]

oh, and only 294 posts to go :P

[SmootSmack]

I think by RT he meant Ryan Tannehill

[Swarley]

Let's be honest here, we (as Redskins fans) shouldn't care who is perceived as the winner of the trade if RGIII can come in here and lead our team to multiple playoff appearances. If the Rams go on and win a Superbowl in three years good for them, but it doesn't mean we would have similar success had we kept those draft picks, and it doesn't mean we made the wrong move. The only way this trade should be deemed a failure is if RGIII is a true bust and we continue to lose more games than we win.

I don't need to see his bust in Canton 30 years from now to deem this trade a success, what I need is a return to winning ways.

[irish]

Originally Posted by GreekSkin

Let's be honest here, we (as Redskins fans) shouldn't care who is perceived as the winner of the trade if RGIII can come in here and lead our team to multiple playoff appearances. If the Rams go on and win a Superbowl in three years good for them, but it doesn't mean we would have similar success had we kept those draft picks, and it doesn't mean we made the wrong move. The only way this trade should be deemed a failure is if RGIII is a true bust and we continue to lose more games than we win.

I don't need to see his bust in Canton 30 years from now to deem this trade a success, what I need is a return to winning ways.

I dont think the Redskins or any other team give away this much for a player get them to multiple playoff appearances, they want multiple championships. I do think you are right though, college style QBs do lead NFL teams to playoff appearances but not Super Bowl wins. Who knows maybe RGIII will break the mold.

[itvnetop]

Originally Posted by irish

I dont think the Redskins or any other team give away this much for a player get them to multiple playoff appearances, they want multiple championships. I do think you are right though, college style QBs do lead NFL teams to playoff appearances but not Super Bowl wins. Who knows maybe RGIII will break the mold.

The flipside is the Cam Newton story: I thought he ran too simplistic an offense at Auburn to translate to NFL success (pistol, zone-read option). Then we saw what happened- singlehandedly resurrected Steve Smith's career and broke all kinds of passing records against professional defenses.

RG3's got smarts, so I'm betting on him picking up any system he needs to learn. His physical gifts will take care of the rest.

[irish]

Originally Posted by itvnetop

The flipside is the Cam Newton story: I thought he ran too simplistic an offense at Auburn to translate to NFL success (pistol, zone-read option). Then we saw what happened- singlehandedly resurrected Steve Smith's career and broke all kinds of passing records against professional defenses.

RG3's got smarts, so I'm betting on him picking up any system he needs to learn. His physical gifts will take care of the rest.

Yep, CN had a great year but hasnt won anything yet. Time will tell if he's a stat machine or a championship winner.

I have no doubt RGIII will pick up whatever system he's asked to run. His physical skills are very impressive but IMO his physical skill set does not match up with that of championship winning NFL QBs. Time will tell if he's successful.

[Chief X_Phackter]

Originally Posted by irish

I dont think the Redskins or any other team give away this much for a player get them to multiple playoff appearances, they want multiple championships. I do think you are right though, college style QBs do lead NFL teams to playoff appearances but not Super Bowl wins. Who knows maybe RGIII will break the mold.

So what "style" QBs lead NFL teams to Super Bowl wins? QBs that did not go to college?

I fail to understand your point here...

[EARTHQUAKE2689]

I already don't give a damn about who the "winner" is and don't care what we gave up. It's done, it's over, we got our QB and I haven't been this excited since I saw that woman fall at McDonalds. Time to move on to free agency. Lets go baby!!!!

[itvnetop]

I look at the trade like I looked at Atlanta's last draft for Julio Jones. Most people thought ATL gave up way to much to get JJ. I looked at it like Atlanta made the move for Julio Jones, not for the 6th pick. He represented (what they believed) was their greatest need- a second vertical threat to complement Roddy White (ToGo, while productive, is aging).

While the Falcons certainly may have had less holes to fill than the Skins', we gave away "the farm" not for the prestige of second pick overall. We're not using it for Claiborne, Kalil or Blackmon. It's for RG3- a potential stud (which describes every prospect) quarterback. The player who has the ball in his hands every offensive snap (minus kicks and wildcat formations).

This draft play also sets the table for free agency, especially on the offensive side of the ball.

[Schneed10]

This trade:

- Increases the chances we will win the Super Bowl
- Increases the chances we will be absolutely terrible the next 10 years
- Decreases the chances we'll be mired in mediocrity

The only bullet I care about is the first one. I see no difference between mediocrity and terrible. We will never ascend beyond mediocrity in the NFL without a star quarterback. Rex Grossman gives us no hope. I don't believe any QB in this draft aside from RG3 and Luck give you significant hope.

Nobody would ever say the Broncos paid too much for Elway, and nobody would ever say the Giants paid too much for Eli.

Who wants a sporadic playoff berth here and there? I want Super Bowls, multiple Super Bowls. Take your shot, never up never in.

[REDSKINS4ever]

So, we have our 1st round draft choice this offseason. Without a 2nd rounder, we have a 3rd, two 4ths, a 5th, 6th, and 7th rounders, correct? Besides RG3 or Luck, that leaves us with six other draft choices. I'm sure Bruce Allen and Mike Shanahan can find very good players in those rounds. Something tells me that they will be drafting more for offense than defense this coming draft.

[redskinsman18]

Allow me to pose this question to everyone:

Would you trade our #2 overall pick to a team if they come over the top with even more draft picks than what we gave up? For example: Browns offer us this years 2 1st rounders, this years 2nd round pick, & 2013 1st and 2nd round picks.

[Mechanix544]

Originally Posted by redskinsman18

Allow me to pose this question to everyone:

Would you trade our #2 overall pick to a team if they come over the top with even more draft picks than what we gave up? For example: Browns offer us this years 2 1st rounders, this years 2nd round pick, & 2013 1st and 2nd round picks.

no. roll with what we got.

[VTSkins1961]

That would be tough call. I think that problem with that is that everyone would feel that we would not get the "franchise" qb although (in theory) you would be able to land 2 or possibly 3 (depending on who get in the 2'nd round) impact players this year and 2 impact players next year if you didn't trade the picks.

I think I wouldn't do it because we would still have a qb issue this year and unless we had an top 3 pick next year we would still have to make a trade to "the franshise qb".

Originally Posted by redskinsman18

Allow me to pose this question to everyone:

Would you trade our #2 overall pick to a team if they come over the top with even more draft picks than what we gave up? For example: Browns offer us this years 2 1st rounders, this years 2nd round pick, & 2013 1st and 2nd round picks.