Redskins Sign DeSean Jackson

[44 goes 50 gut]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag59

Now maybe thats a product of Allen and Shanahan doing a great job of setting up boundaries, maybe its a product of Snyder taking a lot of the criticism to heart following the 2009 season, but regardless I think at this point its fair to say that his involvement in football decisions is limited at best. Certainly not much different than the level of involvement you see from guys like Kraft and Allen, at least in regards to football matters.

That is all pure 100% supposition and wishfullness. Fan fiction.

On the other hand McNabb and D Jackson fitting Snyders previous MO perfectly fits past examples of a pattern... as well as the intentional leakage of the previous HC that portrayed Snyder as still being Snyder, multiple media stories supposing the same things and everyone who's NOT a Redskins fan seeing the incredibly obvious.

Don't worry if Snyder's fantasy football ever results in great football I will be the first to give the OWNER full credit for making it work. But the part of Redkins football that didn't have Snyder written all over it in the last ten years was a couple months during Marty's short stint, Gibb's 2.0's first season and Shanahan's second offseason.

I'm calling RGIII Snyders brain child as well, I've never seen Shanahan fall so in love with a guy who never ran a pro offense, never memorized a playbook, progress through a passing tree, and never had to stand in the pocket to the tune of 3 1st round draft picks... TOTALLY unlike anything Shanahan ever did. Snyder written all over it, I'd be shocked if in 10 years we aren't watching "A Football Life" on the NFL channel about Shanahan's career and we don't find out the truth of that matter... Just like we got to listen to Jimmah Johnson admit on camera that he tanked his first season with the 'Boys intentionally to get the first pick.

Hope I'm wrong, please oh please oh please let me be wrong...

[SmootSmack]

Basically, you have no idea what you're talking about. But you want to rant, so go ahead

[44 goes 50 gut]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

1.) McNabb was a mid 30 year old QB past his prime
2) We traded multiple picks to get McNabb
3) Our offensive coordinator said he did not want McNabb

1) DeSean is just hitting his prime at 27 years old
2) We gave up zero picks to get him
3) The OC (and HC) strongly advocated going after him

Anytime we get a "big name" player, out comes the "Well there goes Dan Snyder, playing fantasy football again" rants. Simply amazing

3 year old age differences are relevant to who got excited and decided to go get the flashy big name how?
Circumstances of acquisition are relevant to who got excited and decided to go get the flashy big name how?

3) supports my contention that Snyder was over involved in the McNabb deal as well, thanks. Unfortunately the present coaching staff was hired by Snyder leading to two obvious conclusions... that they might not be that great at judging (based on past Snyder hires), and that they might be towing the company line... something that tends to happen around notoriously infantile Billionaires with short man complexes.

I don't see material differences in these moves... just circumstantial ones.
What matters is that in both cases a team (the same team as it turns out) that has a track record of savvy personnel moves no longer wanted the players, and a team with a history of flashy big name moves that fizzle and turn into media circuses DID want them (in both cases as it turns out).

We shall see, I hope we see DeSean burning DB's and turning into a great signing. I expect to see some burnt DB's yes, but also some pouting under adversity, some over focus by the media on him, some ugly stories printed the night before big games... you know the usual...

[FRPLG]

Originally Posted by 44 goes 50 gut

Hope I'm wrong, please oh please oh please let me be wrong...

Well it must be your birthday then because you are wrong. Put some effort in next time. Or not, I don't care but at the end of the day the mainstream narrative about DS was set 10 years ago and unlike Wikipedia there apparently is no way to edit it.

He has not been involved in the management of the team more so than any other of the supposed "good" owners. Even his involvement dating back was overstated at times and certainly oversimplified.

The correct view about DS is that he HAS failed repeatedly to get the right people to make the decisions that everyone (fans and media) alike have decided he shouldn't make.

[44 goes 50 gut]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Basically, you have no idea what you're talking about. But you want to rant, so go ahead

I would have expected the moderator of a Redskins forum to be bigger than ad hominem attacks just because someone has a different opinion than they do.

Is this is one of those forums where only certain types of opinions are allowed?

No negativity?

Only sunshine?

[EARTHQUAKE2689]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

1.) McNabb was a mid 30 year old QB past his prime
2) We traded multiple picks to get McNabb
3) Our offensive coordinator said he did not want McNabb

1) DeSean is just hitting his prime at 27 years old
2) We gave up zero picks to get him
3) The OC (and HC) strongly advocated going after him

Anytime we get a "big name" player, out comes the "Well there goes Dan Snyder, playing fantasy football again" rants. Simply amazing

You can't fix stupid

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by 44 goes 50 gut

3 year old age differences are relevant to who got excited and decided to go get the flashy big name how?

7 years actually

Circumstances of acquisition are relevant to who got excited and decided to go get the flashy big name how?

What the hell does this mean?

3) supports my contention that Snyder was over involved in the McNabb deal as well, thanks. Unfortunately the present coaching staff was hired by Snyder leading to two obvious conclusions... that they might not be that great at judging (based on past Snyder hires), and that they might be towing the company line... something that tends to happen around notoriously infantile Billionaires with short man complexes.

No one has argued that Snyder and Allen were the big drivers of the McNabb trade, but we're talking about DeSean. By the way, did you know Dan Snyder is taller than Jack Kent Cooke? (well taller than he was when he was alive)

I don't see material differences in these moves... just circumstantial ones.
What matters is that in both cases a team (the same team as it turns out) that has a track record of savvy personnel moves no longer wanted the players, and a team with a history of flashy big name moves that fizzle and turn into media circuses DID want them (in both cases as it turns out).

All I can say here is "Da Fuq?"

We shall see, I hope we see DeSean burning DB's and turning into a great move, I expect to see some burnt DB's, some pouting under adversity, some over focus by the media on him, some ugly stories printed the night before big games... you know the usual...

I hope DeSean wins the Super Bowl MVP and he and Snyder give a big middle finger at the 50 yard line to all the Redskins fans out there

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by 44 goes 50 gut

I would have expected the moderator of a Redskins forum to be bigger than ad hominem attacks just because someone has a different opinion than they do.

Is this is one of those forums where only certain types of opinions are allowed?

No negativity?

Only sunshine?

Negativity is fine. Ignorance is not.

If you had said you worry about the move because we could have used that money at a position of greater need, DeSean Jackson has been known to slack off sometimes when things don't go his way, Desean Jackson struggles over the middle in traffic especially if you are physical with him early, it's concerning that the Eagles would just let him go when he's a the peak of his career...any of those things, then I could see your point.

But instead you said this is just like the McNabb deal, which it is not. No matter how much you want to say it is, it's not. So no, your opinion doesn't deserve my approval

[ethat001]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

1.) McNabb was a mid 30 year old QB past his prime
2) We traded multiple picks to get McNabb
3) Our offensive coordinator said he did not want McNabb

1) DeSean is just hitting his prime at 27 years old
2) We gave up zero picks to get him
3) The OC (and HC) strongly advocated going after him

Anytime we get a "big name" player, out comes the "Well there goes Dan Snyder, playing fantasy football again" rants. Simply amazing

44 goes -- you have to admit you got owned here. You're not going to admit it, but clearly the McNabb thing was different as above.

Regardless, I think we get your general point in that big FA moves don't always pan out, but at least we didn't set the franchise back a few picks. I personally think positions like WR or CB should translate on a different team. Most other positions may or may not pan out with different schemes, etc. I suspect DJax will be good if he stays healthy and RG3 can deliver the ball.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

1.) McNabb was a mid 30 year old QB past his prime
2) We traded multiple picks to get McNabb
3) Our offensive coordinator said he did not want McNabb

1) DeSean is just hitting his prime at 27 years old
2) We gave up zero picks to get him
3) The OC (and HC) strongly advocated going after him

Anytime we get a "big name" player, out comes the "Well there goes Dan Snyder, playing fantasy football again" rants. Simply amazing

Sadly, a lot of people in the sports media, both national and local have this same mentality.

[EARTHQUAKE2689]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

7 years actually



What the hell does this mean?



No one has argued that Snyder and Allen were the big drivers of the McNabb trade, but we're talking about DeSean. By the way, did you know Dan Snyder is taller than Jack Kent Cooke? (well taller than he was when he was alive)



All I can say here is "Da Fuq?"



I hope DeSean wins the Super Bowl MVP and he and Snyder give a big middle finger at the 50 yard line to all the Redskins fans out there

I especially love the last part of this post.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

Sadly, a lot of people in the sports media, both national and local have this same mentality.

Well don't pigeon hole it to sports media. I'm in sports media, I don't have that mentality. Others who aren't in it, do have that mentality

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by 44 goes 50 gut

I would have expected the moderator of a Redskins forum to be bigger than ad hominem attacks just because someone has a different opinion than they do.

Is this is one of those forums where only certain types of opinions are allowed?

No negativity?

Only sunshine?

No , it wouldn't hurt if you knew what you were talking about .

[Gary84Clark]

The Jackson signing was an opportunity, we had our cap in order and we made a play on a player that kills us. It was unexpected as far as no one knew Chip was gonna release Jackson. In the past we wait on free agents knowing we are gonna break the bank. We have to sell our soul for a player. Jackson situation is the opposite.

[RedskinRat]

The Redskins took a player away from a Division rival. Doesn't that count for anything or is that just Fantasy Football stupidity?