Why The Bengals Won't Have a Good 12th Man

[724Skinsfan]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

And it's very myopic to think that people will actually stay home from the stadium because they're afraid of the jerks who yell S and F. That doesn't happen.

Not entirely true Schneed, I doubt that I will take my son when he is old enough to a game unless I know that the seats are in a "good" section. I get tickets from a friend 2 or 3 times a year and the people around are all decent people. We cheer and high five but no one gets out of hand with. There are other places that I've sat at in the stadium that I was flat out embarrassed to be in. I'm not going to subject my kid(s) to vulgarity if I can help it and probably will leave early.

You can be supportively loud and not scream obscenities, especially when kids or elderly people are around.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by 724Skinsfan

Not entirely true Schneed, I doubt that I will take my son when he is old enough to a game unless I know that the seats are in a "good" section. I get tickets from a friend 2 or 3 times a year and the people around are all decent people. We cheer and high five but no one gets out of hand with. There are other places that I've sat at in the stadium that I was flat out embarrassed to be in. I'm not going to subject my kid(s) to vulgarity if I can help it and probably will leave early.

You can be supportively loud and not scream obscenities, especially when kids or elderly people are around.

You're right. But I should clarify my statement. There are people who will indeed choose to stay home from the game because of exposure to this kind of thing. But for every person who is ready to do that, there are two others without tickets who are dying to take that seat. Redskin games always sell out, there is plenty of demand for tickets. So if a portion of fans opt to stay home due to increasingly boorish behavior at games, I'd expect other fans to fill in the gaps.

How this pertains to the Bengals, I don't know much about their attendance. Demand for their tickets may not be the same as Washington's. So if they stand to lose attendance due to increasingly boorish behavior, then I can understand management's move here in creating the hotline. They want to keep their existing fan base because they might believe that there aren't that many people lined up to get tickets. In that case it would be an understandable move, though at the same time somewhat deleterious to home-field advantage.

[ArtMonkDrillz]

We have a tradition of drinking a 40 at tailgates. One of my buddies had to back out of the game at the last minute because he was sick, so I had to step up and drink one for him.

[TheMalcolmConnection]

Originally Posted by ArtMonkDrillz

We have a tradition of drinking a 40 at tailgates. One of my buddies had to back out of the game at the last minute because he was sick, so I had to step up and drink one for him.

Regular or High Gravity?

[TheInspector]

Originally Posted by ArtMonkDrillz

We have a tradition of drinking a 40 at tailgates. One of my buddies had to back out of the game at the last minute because he was sick, so I had to step up and drink one for him.

...a true team player.

[Schneed10]

OK I had a meeting and missed a lot of this discussion. Let me weigh in.

Starting fights: always completely unacceptable. Defending yourself if someone screams at you in such a way to make you feel there is impending physical harm, always acceptable.

Shouting obscenities just for the sake of shouting obscenities: unacceptable. But if you're pumped up and Brunell tosses an INT and you blurt out oh mother effer, no harm done, that's just the result of being into the game. There's a difference. One is intentionally using bad language for it's own sake. The other is a simple loss of self-control. All I'm saying is that I don't want anyone to be controlling themselves for language so much that it prevents them from making significant noise.

If you can control your language and still be loud 100% of the time, you're the best fan of all. If you are loud all the time but let the occasional curse word slip, I'd still take you over a patsy who just sits there the entire game without making noise.

As for making fun of other fans at the stadium, it's par for the course and if you come to a game, it's open season. You should keep it to things like "hey, guy with the Roy Williams jersey, does that shirt smell like burnt toast, because I think Santana Moss may have left it in the toaster too long." It should not be "hey Cowboy's fan, you're a piece of sh*t."

Though if a fan of an opposing team is a jerk first (shouting obscenities incessantly, starting fights), it's open season. Beat his ass if you have to.

[dmek25]

that is thuggin it. and welcome td2006. old eddie makes me nearly insane.

[Schneed10]

I am in no way calling for fans of Fed Ex to "imitate" the Eagles fans. I am saying some people in the stands need to take a look at the passion you bring to the game. I'm probably preaching to the choir on this site, because everyone here probably screams their heads off at games. But there are still plenty of other fans who pretty much just sit on their hands. Bring the noise or stay home, someone else with passion could be using that seat.

[ArtMonkDrillz]

Must be regular. I'm not familiar with high gravity

[TheMalcolmConnection]

You don't WANT to be familiar with it. It's basically OE ICE. One of them will have you on your ass. I don't know what it is about malt liquor, but it seriously f*cks me up. I would drink it often in college and got more drunk than I ever do on beer or liquor. I would drink King Cobra, St. Ides and OE 800 AND High Gravity.

[ArtMonkDrillz]

malt liquor is seriously gross as it is, but if you nurse it and it gets hot it is easily the worst tasting invention ever.

Perhaps the 40's tradition needs to die this year.

[TheMalcolmConnection]

Originally Posted by ArtMonkDrillz

malt liquor is seriously gross as it is, but if you nurse it and it gets hot it is easily the worst tasting invention ever.

Perhaps the 40's tradition needs to die this year.

Perhaps, since we'll have at least 3-4 cases of beer ready for the taking.

[TheMalcolmConnection]

I used to think Patron was out of my league. Then I kept hitting on her, getting in with Cabo Wabo and she was like, "Malcolm, I love you, I'll make sweet love to your mouth."

And sexiness ensued!

Seriously, if tequila is requested, tequila will be there. I just cannot partake in any of it.

[BDBohnzie]

Originally Posted by TheMalcolmConnection

Seriously, if tequila is requested, tequila will be there. I just cannot partake in any of it.

You can, but you choose not to...so I choose not to partake. cannot shouldn't be a word in your vocabulary soldier.

[JoeRedskin]

I too had a meeting and missed most of the stuff going down. I think I agree with most everyone here in that there is a line, it can be crossed, and you should avoid doing so and, as someone said, being a fan does not give you the right to be a thug and an asshole.

I have no expectation, nor any desire, that my trips to the stadium become an afternoon of tea and crumpets (unless we're using english slang - then bring on the tasty crumpets). At the same time, I think that everyone should have the expectation of relative civility in any setting. People are gonna curse, some assholes will start fights, some folks will drink more than they can handle. Even though such behavior must be tolerated to some extent, as long as everyone agrees that this behavior should not be condoned, it's all good.

It's actually quite simple - do unto others as you would have them do unto you

(In my youth, I lived by another motto - do unto others, then run. How I avoided serious jail time, I'll never know).