Time to bench Brunell? (Mega Man Merge)

[12thMan]

Originally Posted by Gibbs'IllegitChild

to all who feel we should leave the decision of whether or not to bench brunell up to what happens next week,
WHAT WILL THAT PROVE? ANY LIMP WRISTED qb IN THE LEAGUE, COLLEGE FO THAT MATTER, CAN PASS AGAINST THE TEXANS. THEY ARE AS GOOD AS MY TOWN PEEWEE LEAGUE TEAM. MAYBE IF THE SKINS WERE AT LEAST PLAYINGG AGAINST A MEDEOCURE TEAM I WOULD LEAVE IT UP TO NEXT WEEK, BUT WE'RE NOT. LETS STOP THE BLEEDING AND GIVE CAMPBELL A LEGITAMATE SHOT, UNLIKE THE ONE RAMSEY WAS GIVEN.

Please leave Ramsey out of this discussin. He got his shot! In fact, he's still getting he's shot in NY.

[Gibbs'IllegitChild]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

Please leave Ramsey out of this discussin. He got his shot! In fact, he's still getting he's shot in NY.

did he REALLY get his shot...an as for "in new york"...why wasnt he used in the final plays of the game today?

[Paintrain]

I agree with Doc Walker. Campbell cannot do any worse.. Brunell had 45 yds passing before that last drive.. 45!!!!!! That is unacceptable from an NFL QB!!! Put Campbell in there with Portis, Moss, Lloyd, Cooley, etc and let him figure it out.. It's not giving up on the season, we're 0-2, the season (thusfar) has been a disaster anyways, what are we risking?

[NFLeurope]

Heres what i wrote in the other similar thread...

My major problem with Brunell is that he really is not a playMAKER.
I think should he get the start next week...that we may very well beat the texans... The problem is that they suck however...and i am worried that just because we may go ahead and beat them...in an unspectacular fashion...that ppl will get reassured that Brunell really is the answer...that he is this great game manager...and that is what we need to go far.

Personally i believe that Brunell does two things to our offense. He prevents turn overs...by not taking risks... But at the same time he fails to help us sustain drives and score points for the same reason.

I wouldnt even think about bringing in another over the hill QB like Favre at this point...because if you did you would be talking about comitting to him for another two years...and we need to see what cambell can do. But seriously...just try to imagine...if that was Favre out there...Dont you guys think that we would be scoring way more points! I mean you look at it and say...well maybe its because Brunell isnt on the same page with his receivers yet...but i mean look at what Mcnabb has done with stallworth...before the guy could have possibly had any time to learn the offense...

I seriously believe that having Brunell out there means that the whole team needs to play well in order for us to win. It only works when the running game is in sync...so that we can eat up clock...and our D is firing on all cylinders to shut down opposing teams offenses. The point is that there are times when this is not the case...when maybe some of the players...or some of the team...is not at its best...and at that point you really need a playmaker who can be the guy to take the team on his shoulders...and give you a spark.

Favre is and has been that kind of player his entire career...Mcnabb is...Eli is becoming that... Brunell certainly is not...and has not been for his entire time in washington.

I actually believe that Brunell is worse than a veteran like Brad Johnson. Johnson it seems...would have been a nice fit here...because while he doesnt take too many risks...he does seem to do an effective job of moving the offense...and Minnesotas record while he has been starting shows it.

I guess at this point...i would be really more curious than anything else...to see whether my hunch is right...that Brunell by playing it safe all the time...really has been holding this offense back...from reaching its lofty potential...at the very least...by not providing us the spark we need.

I think should cambell get some starts...we may very well see some rookie mistakes that will make ppl yell at there TV screens...mistakes that may cost us some games. But at the same time i think we will suddenly see the offense become much more explosive...guys gainging alot more yards etc...

That is why last year...i was kind of hoping to see ramsey get some starts...because in spite of the increased risk for turnovers...i really believed the additional explosivness of the offense could counterbalance it.

Cambell...is much less experienced than Ramsey...and hasnt taken a snap in a real game yet...so we are less sure what he will bring to the table...but i would be interested in seeing what hes got. So...i think...we give Brunell one more week...and if he continues to suck just make him the back up...and make cambell the starter...but in any case whether or not Brunell continues to be the primary starter...i believe the coaches ought to make a serious effort to get Cambell game time experience...like the titans have been doing with young.

I think this team is too talented to accept mediocre play at the QB position...and i think we need to give the young guy the opportunity to show us if he can take this offense where it needs to go.

[12thMan]

NFL EUROPE, you make some good points. But I must disagree with your initial point, if the Texans really are that bad then it's the perfect game for Campbell to start. Why not get him going against, well, a mediocre defense. I don't want to see him starting against a Philly, not even the Giantes.
Bench Brunell now - quick!

[MightyJoeGibbs]

But I'll leave the subject alone b/c all I am doing is making my mood and outcome worst. Whatever, if optimism still exist tell the team that. Have them turn it around and go all the way. When that happens burn me at the stake. We cant start the season over till next year. I hate this constant revolving door of players, coaching schemesb/c impact draft picks are few and far between, washed up veterans with huge contracts get signed, and worst of all the penalties. It be nice to get grounded and rooted where everyone knows what is expected and how to execute.

I just benched Brunell in my Madden season and am starting over at week 1. I can always trust that I bring home a lombardi in the fantasy world at least.

[DynamiteRave]

All I've gotta say is, time to pull Brunell.

...And put in Diet Pepsi Machine.

[Big C]

Originally Posted by DynamiteRave

All I've gotta say is, time to pull Brunell.

...And put in Diet Pepsi Machine.

id rather put parcell's left tit in there

[redrock-skins]

Any questions?

[Longtimefan]

I said in one of my post during the week that Brunell has to play better for us to have any chance at winning, he didn't do it. I have always been a supporter of this guy but right now I'm at a crossroads where he is concerned, and it could very well be the time now for JG to think about a change even though Brunell is not the only reason why we're not winning.

[ian2skins]

boonell needs to step aside....i believe i saw more guys open on t.v. than he did....down field open guys at that. he has not taken a shot down the field yet. last week there was one completion to moss for 34. that is it. i think cooley should cut that hair where he could get a step on someone and get open. he has been smothered and nonexistent. could the d line please get some pressure on the qb. the corners would not have to work so hard if they could. bledsoe had all day.
let's hope for major improvement. next week might be as easy as it will get this season.

[Big C]

cooler heads must prevail, however if he sucks against the texans he needs to be benched for campbell

[jrocx69]

id pull now as well, brunell (knowing the offense or not) is now a QB we have to max protect all the time and send out cooley and moss. if you watch the game, he is so damn timid when anyone is near. he will fold under pressure and holds the ball so damn long for the end result to be a sack. no matter the offensive calls, you will always have pressure, and thats something brunell obviously cannot handle and w/o legs.... he is a guy scared who cant even run away. the pass that was int'd was so horrible, it looked like one of frost's punts. IF ANYTHING, CAMPBELL WILL ATLEAST GIVE US MORE SCRAMBLE ABILITY. SO IF CAMPBELL SUCKS JUST AS BAD AS BRUNELL, WE WILL ATLEAST HAVE A GUY THE WOULD CREATE MORE PLAYMAKING ABILITY AND THAT CHANCE IS ALWAYS THERE.... WITH BRUNELL ITS FLAT OUT NOT THERE.

[since7skinsfan]

I have to start off by saying what I imagine many were thinking at the beginning of this season: that the Skins were going to be even better this year. They made some key acquisitions (not just big names as they have in the past), they brought an offensive guru, and got rid of a potential distraction (Arrington...though I did question it at the time). I unfortunately see a team in every bit of an offensive funk as they were towards the tail end of the season of 05. Against Philidelphia in the last game the offense looked a little suspect, then against Tampa Bay it was dead, and again in Seattle it was never revived. Since those games the progression has only become worse. Four straight awful preseason games followed by two pathetic regular season games for a total of potentially nine games now that they have looked horrendous on offense. So one has to begin to question what happened around this time....and there it is. The injury to Brunell. Since that time Brunell has been playing not to get hurt and not to win. The fire in Brunell is not only gone but completely burned out. When the fire of Brad Johnson (who is almost 2 years Brunells senior) is greater we have real problems. Did anyone notice Brad's comments when he scored the tying touchdown...something like "motherf&*&er". I would love to have a quaterback with that passion. Instead after each unnecessary toss away pass, or patheticly missed throw he walks off the field with an air of smug appathy and acceptace of his feeble abilities. He looks to Gibbs as if saying "I'm not sure what happened". I can tell you what happened. You are way way past your prime, and your passion for this game and for winning is nonexsistent to the point that it is apparent in every play you are a part of. In short...the time is to move on. Not next season...not in 4 games..but next game. Anyone who thinks we are going to even make it to the playoffs this year is fooling themselves...not in this division...not this year. If we accept that the future is Jason Cambell then why not move in this direction now. Give the kid a chance to grow and if we finish poor this season at least we may get a decent draft from it. I finish with this.

The defense and special...not the offense kept us in the game. And when the defense put the Skins in a position to tie at the 40 yard line it was not Cooley, Moss, Betts, Lloyd, Sellers, Al Saunders, or even Gibbs who gave away the drive and in the end lost the game. It was Brunell!

[since7skinsfan]

That is what's really scary. Let me create the scenario. Imagine if the O line again looks weak. If they can pressure Brunell the offense essentially shuts down. The D probably will hold against a weak Texans team, but the possiblity that a team like the Texans could even complete against the Skins tells you how low we have gone. There has to be a change. At least with Cambell I assume he would be more adept at escaping the rush a perhaps make they pay for it a few times with a pass or run.

To go on the record.....I want nothing more than for the Redskins to make the playoffs (I have been waiting 15 years since the last SB)..and I hate to even contemplate not making it....but surely everyone is aware of our current hole. All the more reason for a major change. This team, in the state its in, is not capable of that fundental mental shift without a manmade change....I.E....Brunell.