T.J. Duckett Conspiracy

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Chief X_Phackter

I agree with you 100%. But, here is what Joe Bugel had to say about it:


"[In last Sunday's game against the Giants], we told our offensive football team before the game that we were going to throw the ball on our first 3rd-and-1 play because we were 100 percent run on 3rd-and-1 going into the game. They accepted that, and our first 3rd-and-1 play was in the third quarter.

"It turned out to be a big play because we didn't make it. It was a short pass to Chris Cooley. I'll tell you what, [the Giants] must have heard the play in the huddle because they played that pass really well.
"As coaches, you can't second-guess that call. You can't what-if it. Our players didn't second-guess it, either. I think, when you ask offensive linemen, they always want to run on 3rd-and-1. We told them we were going to take a shot on this pass play on 3rd-and-1, and we didn't make it. So be it.

Personally I think that is ridiculous to make that decision before the game. In my opinion you have to see how the flow of the game is going, how successful have we been running so far, etc. Dumb dumb dumb. I mean I can see scripting the first series of the game or whatever, but to make the decision to pass on the first 3rd and 1 before the game even starts is ridiculous.

But if it worked we wouldn't be saying jack right now.

That's how things go, you're not going to make the right call 100% of the time. You win some, you lose some. If it works it's a genius call, if it fails then it's a disaster.

I'd guarantee you that ALOT of calls/decisions are made before the game. That 3rd and 1 call was obviously a part of the 3rd down package of the game plan. That's why teams game plan and scheme. I'm sure that defensively, the Giants KNEW that we have run 100% of the time on 3rd and 1.

[onlydarksets]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

But if it worked we wouldn't be saying jack right now.

That's how things go, you're not going to make the right call 100% of the time. You win some, you lose some. If it works it's a genius call, if it fails then it's a disaster.

I'd guarantee you that ALOT of calls/decisions are made before the game. That 3rd and 1 call was obviously a part of the 3rd down package of the game plan. That's why teams game plan and scheme. I'm sure that defensively, the Giants KNEW that we have run 100% of the time on 3rd and 1.

That's fine in the first quarter, maybe even the second. But to say, we're not even going to consider how the Gyants' D has actually been playing, or what has worked on offense today, is ridiculous.

Now, if Buges had said, "That was our plan, but we decided at the time that passing on this 3rd down play was the best decision", I'm not going to second guess that. What I do second guess is making that decision for a play in the 3rd quarter before the game even starts.

[TheMalcolmConnection]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

But if it worked we wouldn't be saying jack right now.

That's how things go, you're not going to make the right call 100% of the time. You win some, you lose some. If it works it's a genius call, if it fails then it's a disaster.

I'd guarantee you that ALOT of calls/decisions are made before the game. That 3rd and 1 call was obviously a part of the 3rd down package of the game plan. That's why teams game plan and scheme. I'm sure that defensively, the Giants KNEW that we have run 100% of the time on 3rd and 1.

True, but sometimes, especially back when Gibbs was first coaching, teams knew what was coming, and their goal was to stop it. You'd think that Brunell could have come out of the huddle with a t-shirt on saying, "We're running it up the middle." and the Giants wouldn't have been able to stop it.

[Hog1]

Just a side-step, not backward. Winning will quiet the mass's, quell the hysteria, and slake the bloodlust of even the most determined hater.

[dall-assblows]

it really sucks for duckett though.

[TheMalcolmConnection]

ARGH. Guys, it's NOT 2000 ANYMORE. How many times do we have to say that?!?!?!?!?!?!?

I only use this quote when it's really appropriate, but it feels like I'm taking crazy pills.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by TheMalcolmConnection

ARGH. Guys, it's NOT 2000 ANYMORE. How many times do we have to say that?!?!?!?!?!?!?

I only use this quote when it's really appropriate, but it feels like I'm taking crazy pills.

We still continue to sign overage free agents way past their prime. Andre Carter is like 76, Marcus Washington is actually 53 years old, Randle El 45, Lloyd a young 35, and Portis is I think 100 years old.

I'm ODing on crazy pills TMC

[TheMalcolmConnection]

Originally Posted by TAFKAS

We still continue to sign overage free agents way past their prime. Andre Carter is like 76, Marcus Washington is actually 53 years old, Randle El 45, Lloyd a young 35, and Portis is I think 100 years old.

I'm ODing on crazy pills TMC

Damn, I KNEW I was paying for those bastards social security. Seriously, I want to start taking bets on how long it'll be before media/fans/etc. realize that we're not overpaying for over-the-hill players.

We're just overpaying for young, over-HYPED players!

[dmek25]

those teams dont have a hall of famer coaching them. always keep that in your mind. i think a team like Philly took a superior quarterback in mcnabb, and put role players around him. other than Westbrook, their so called skill players suck. the key to any successful team is line play

[Longtimefan]

Originally Posted by dmek25

those teams dont have a hall of famer coaching them. always keep that in your mind. i think a team like Philly took a superior quarterback in mcnabb, and put role players around him. other than Westbrook, their so called skill players suck. the key to any successful team is line play

We think the point attempting to be made here is the fact that their players are their own, and they repeat the process year after year. Philly has owned the NFC east for the last five years or so with last year being the exception, and that was because McNabb was out injured. When you consider what Philadelphia has spent on FA's the last five years compared to the Redskins, and where they have finished in the standinds each year is night and day. Having a Hall of Fame coach or expensive payroll does not guarantee either winning or success, if that were the case we would be unbeatable. We have witnesed first hand that you do not always get what you pay for

[GhettoDogAllStars]

Originally Posted by dmek25

those teams dont have a hall of famer coaching them. always keep that in your mind. i think a team like Philly took a superior quarterback in mcnabb, and put role players around him. other than Westbrook, their so called skill players suck. the key to any successful team is line play

I'm gonna go out on a limb and say that Andy Reid will be in the HOF ... and philly has more than just d mac and westy (on defense at least).

[Hog1]

Originally Posted by GhettoDogAllStars

I'm gonna go out on a limb and say that Andy Reid will be in the HOF ... and philly has more than just d mac and westy (on defense at least).

Philly has owned the East, not because they are any good, but because everybody else in the East sucked. First time any other team had any success (last year), Philly took their rightful place (sewer). And...........Dallas, NY, and the Skins are under-achieveing again this year, and look who's excelling again. It's not a matter that they are good. Sadly, they have not had much competition.

[Longtimefan]

Originally Posted by Hog1

Philly has owned the East, not because they are any good, but because everybody else in the East sucked. First time any other team had any success (last year), Philly took their rightful place (sewer). And...........Dallas, NY, and the Skins are under-achieveing again this year, and look who's excelling again. It's not a matter that they are good. Sadly, they have not had much competition.

The only reason Philly took a dive last year was because McNabb was injured along with a couple other of their better players, plus the TO debacle. The Eagles and Giants have been the better teams in the NFC east the last few years. Some of the so called experts had the Cowboys winning the division this year. The Redskins didn't even recieve honorable mention.

[SouperMeister]

Originally Posted by GhettoDogAllStars

I'm gonna go out on a limb and say that Andy Reid will be in the HOF ... and philly has more than just d mac and westy (on defense at least).

Don't forget L.J. Smith at TE, he's pretty darn good. That said, let me preface this by saying I hate Philly, but as I stated in my earlier post, I LOVE the way they built their team. I'd venture to guess that 75% of their starters came through the draft. They've taken a page from Gibbs/Beathard philosophy and built significant depth on both the offensive and defensive lines. Their D secondary is tremendous (all 4 coming via the draft). Their only units that don't scare me are the linebackers and the wide receivers, although the receivers looked pretty good against Dallas.

[WillH]

Lets trade moss, portis, and Sean Taylor and pick up some draft picks, Euthinize Brunell, put in Campbell, and plan for the future.... I say try and get as many as three first rounders and a couple of second rounders, then we've got like five new starters to develope into a team around Campbell, and maybe a Heath Schuler to back him up....or maybe we could remeber that the team has taken some kids from late rounds and made them into good football players...Golston for example....its still too early to tell but he looks good and he was a 6th round pick....Im gonna give them the benefit of the doubt and assume they know what they're doing...... for now