Dre' Bly wants to be a Skin? That's What I Hear

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by EARTHQUAKE2689

i think we should trade shawn springs and a 2008 4th rounder for bly

I think the idea is to gain picks, not lose them. Something like Springs and the #6 for Bly, the #21, and the #56. Even then I'd probably still ask for something more

[TheMalcolmConnection]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I think the idea is to gain picks, not lose them. Something like Springs and the #6 for Bly, the #21, and the #56. Even then I'd probably still ask for something more

Icon is looking NICE today too.

[TheMalcolmConnection]

Neither of them are Spring chickens, honestly I'd KEEP the #6, Bly for Springs and the #56.

[hesscl34]

I'm surprised that Springs doesn't want to stay in Washington, VERY surprised. He seems like such a Redskin guy... and I know Spring and ST have a good friendship and he helps him out a lot on the field.... hmmmmm...??? I don't like the idea of Bly coming on board if it means Springs must go. I don't like it at all.

[Hog1]

Originally Posted by hesscl34

I'm surprised that Springs doesn't want to stay in Washington, VERY surprised. He seems like such a Redskin guy... and I know Spring and ST have a good friendship and he helps him out a lot on the field.... hmmmmm...??? I don't like the idea of Bly coming on board if it means Springs must go. I don't like it at all.

Naturally, I've heard this stuff to. Why does he want to leave? He's a local boy.....went to Springbrook?

[Pocket$ $traight]

Originally Posted by hesscl34

I'm surprised that Springs doesn't want to stay in Washington, VERY surprised. He seems like such a Redskin guy... and I know Spring and ST have a good friendship and he helps him out a lot on the field.... hmmmmm...??? I don't like the idea of Bly coming on board if it means Springs must go. I don't like it at all.

Well if you rushed (or were pushed) back from an injury to your legs by the team and then they asked you to take less money the next year, would you be happy about it?

Here is my resolution. Pay Springs his salary this year. He will be playing for a contract because he knows it is essentially a contract year. Cut him next after we win the Super Bowl when the move would save us 5 million or so on the cap and fly in Bly (or a better UFA corner) next year on the first signing day!

Everybody wins!!!

[MTK]

Bly wants his Snyder payday, for that reason alone it makes me leary of bringing him in.

I think all Springs wants is to have a sense of job security. Let's face it we've been eyeballing other corners since the season ended. Gibbs has told him he's in our plans for this year, but we all know things can change on a dime if the right offer came along. I think once camp rolls around and he's still here, he won't be a problem.

[70Chip]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Bly wants his Snyder payday, for that reason alone it makes me leary of bringing him in.

This is True. It's like the old Woody Allen (Groucho?) saying about not joining a club that would have you as a member. The Redskins should be careful about signing people who want to play for them. Or, we're like the girl who has a reputation for putting out every Saturday night. We attract all sorts of loathsome characters who have only one thing on their minds - and we're so ashamed afterward. . The somewhat encouraging news is that so far this off-season we seem to be more restrained.

As for Springs, the trick is to keep him here with cap relief. And what's this about a pay-cut? Does anyone ever take a real pay cut? Doesn't the money just get converted to bonus to make up the difference? Although, someone said that Brunell had taken a real one so I need explanation. That Guy? Schneed? Canuck? How do we keep Springs for the least cap affect? Be creative.

[Monkeydad]

I'd rather have Springs. As Matty just said, I think Bly is just using the Skins as a pawn in his contract chess match. We have a great organization who a lot of players would like to be a part of (Smoot for example), but I don't see anything other than money motivating here, brought on by the perception that we're careless with our money. The media is to blame there, even when we are careful with our cash and aren't active in the market, like this season, we STILL get attacked for throwing money around and ruining the team by overpaying. Snyder has learned from his early mistakes and has been a great owner since the Smith/Deion experiment. Even Adam Archuleta was a good signing at the time, it filled a need with one of the best available players at the time...it's not Snyder's or Gibbs' fault that he decided not to show up on Sundays all year.

[GhettoDogAllStars]

If Springs is unhappy that he was asked to take a paycut, then I don't understand. If I was asked to take a paycut, and I didn't want to, then I would just say "no". That would be the end of it, and I wouldn't be unhappy. There are several good reasons for a team to want players to take less money. He doesn't have to take it personal.

As for job security: if I am confident in my skills, then I wouldn't be worried about losing my job (for very long). I'd just get another one. It's not hard to do in the NFL, if you have skills. On the other hand, if I knew that I was getting paid more than I deserve, and I wasn't confident in my skills (and my ability to get another job), then I would be worried.

It seems like Springs is losing confidence in his ability to play well and/or his ability to stay healthy. Maybe the FO is correct in trying to get rid of him now, instead of waiting through another year of potential injuries when his value will be even lower.

[freddyg12]

Originally Posted by GhettoDogAllStars

If Springs is unhappy that he was asked to take a paycut, then I don't understand. If I was asked to take a paycut, and I didn't want to, then I would just say "no". That would be the end of it, and I wouldn't be unhappy. There are several good reasons for a team to want players to take less money. He doesn't have to take it personal.

As for job security: if I am confident in my skills, then I wouldn't be worried about losing my job (for very long). I'd just get another one. It's not hard to do in the NFL, if you have skills. On the other hand, if I knew that I was getting paid more than I deserve, and I wasn't confident in my skills (and my ability to get another job), then I would be worried.

It seems like Springs is losing confidence in his ability to play well and/or his ability to stay healthy. Maybe the FO is correct in trying to get rid of him now, instead of waiting through another year of potential injuries when his value will be even lower.

Never said he was taking it personally. In fact, all indications are that Springs is just conducting biz - he wants to try the mkt. & by refusing the pay cut he's increasing his chances.
At the same time, he is under contract & the Skins don't have to let him go or seek a trade. See my earlier post on this thread - this is cat & mouse between he & the FO; Skins have the power to keep him as he's under contract, but he has the power to only accept that contract & not take the cut.

[GhettoDogAllStars]

Originally Posted by freddyg12

Never said he was taking it personally. In fact, all indications are that Springs is just conducting biz - he wants to try the mkt. & by refusing the pay cut he's increasing his chances.
At the same time, he is under contract & the Skins don't have to let him go or seek a trade. See my earlier post on this thread - this is cat & mouse between he & the FO; Skins have the power to keep him as he's under contract, but he has the power to only accept that contract & not take the cut.

My post wasn't directed at you, per se. There has been a lot of speculation about whether Springs is happy here.

I agree with you about the cat and mouse game between him and the FO. It does seem like he wants out, and he's using his contract as leverage. My only question is: does he think he'll get a bigger contract in FA? That would be ridiculous. He didn't play the entire season last year, and he didn't do anything spectacular either. Why would he think he could get a big payday in FA? Maybe he just wants to go to a contender. That is the only reason that makes sense to me.

[freddyg12]

Originally Posted by GhettoDogAllStars

My post wasn't directed at you, per se. There has been a lot of speculation about whether Springs is happy here.

I agree with you about the cat and mouse game between him and the FO. It does seem like he wants out, and he's using his contract as leverage. My only question is: does he think he'll get a bigger contract in FA? That would be ridiculous. He didn't play the entire season last year, and he didn't do anything spectacular either. Why would he think he could get a big payday in FA? Maybe he just wants to go to a contender. That is the only reason that makes sense to me.

good point ghetto, but in this market I guess he and/or his agent feels there's more money to be made. I'm not sure about the contender part, but IMO most players are looking out for their financial security first, and you can't blame them for that. Springs has one payday left, but maybe he does want to go to a contender. So, lets keep him and contend!

[Skinz4life]

I would love to add Bly to the mix because of his playmaking ability - he can create turnovers and that is what the skins struggled to do last year. I don't know if he's as good a cover corner as Springs, I think they are pretty close, but Dre makes plays and thats what this defense needs.

[SBXVII]

I don't have a problem paying Springs what is owed him. He signed a contract. The team signed it also. I will say that some players on the team have different values. I give you Samuels as an example....He has restructured almost every year because he knows we maybe close to a championship and he wants to be a part of it. He wants a ring. Some players care more about the money for bills, or retirement, or for whatever reason they have. several other players have restructured also some of them are no spring chicken either. I just wish Springs would restructure knowing he possibly might get a ring and worry about this next year if he's wanting to play for Shanahan.