Maybe Vinny Cerrato isn't the Anti-Christ

[hooskins]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

For whatever reason, Ceratto is much more protected it seems, and perhaps in a bit of denial. On more than one occasion, both Snyder and Gibbs have said "Hey I messed up and I admit it" But has anyone ever heard anything like that from VC?

Yeah that is true, never thought about that.

[MTK]

Guess it depends on what we're calling "top tier". I'd easily place Cooley in the top 10 of the best TEs. I would listen to arguments that place him in the 5-7 range. That to me would be top tier.

[MTK]

Gibbs is always the first one to stick his neck out and say blame me.

[hooskins]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Gibbs is always the first one to stick his neck out and say blame me.

yeah and after a while his apologies have no more value to me.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by hooskins

yeah and after a while his apologies have no more value to me.

What else should he say?

Would you be happier if he stopped taking responsibility?

[hooskins]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

What else should he say?

Would you be happier if he stopped taking responsibility?

I dont know but after a while I don't know if he is actually sorry and accepting blame, or just saying he is to "look good".

[MTK]

Originally Posted by hooskins

I dont know but after a while I don't know if he is actually sorry and accepting blame, or just saying he is to "look good".

If you know anything about the man you wouldn't be questioning that at all.

[Beemnseven]

Originally Posted by hooskins

I dont know but after a while I don't know if he is actually sorry and accepting blame, or just saying he is to "look good".

How good can you look when your team sucks and you're the one taking the blame? Look, I'm as disappointed as anyone else with Gibbs this time around, but he truly is an honest man who genuinely says what he means. This past season probably hurt him to his very core.

The man doesn't pass anything off to anyone else, and he doesn't say or do anything to make himself "look good."

[offiss]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Gibbs is always the first one to stick his neck out and say blame me.

Kind of funny though, almost no one ever does?

[MTK]

Originally Posted by offiss

Kind of funny though, almost no one ever does?

Did you sleep through last season?

I think we had a pretty long and heated thread titled 'Gibbs must go' at some point last year.

[offiss]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Did you sleep through last season?

I think we had a pretty long and heated thread titled 'Gibbs must go' at some point last year.

Yea thats me Rumple stiltzSKIN.

Very few are willing to admit Gibbs is off the wall as far as running a team, he knows nothing of personel, including his own. As I said early on in Gibbs second tenure, he has been trying to pound a square peg threw a round hole to try and prove he can run an organization with total control, he is a fish out of water, Bobby Beathard made sure Gibbs was constantly stocked with some of the best talent in the NFL, Gibbs had the luxury of running the ball down any defense's throat any time he wanted to with the hogs that BB assembled. Well Gibbs no longer has the best line in football as he enjoyed for 10 years under BB, and now he is finding it much more dificult to coach without that advantage.

[MTK]

I think Vinny has admitted to making mistakes, especially from the infamous 2000 spending spree.

[MTK]

I think it's a bit of a stretch to say he knows nothing about personnel. It's not like this roster is totally devoid of talent.

[offiss]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

I think it's a bit of a stretch to say he knows nothing about personnel. It's not like this roster is totally devoid of talent.

Thats fair, but it could be a whole lot better for a lot less money that is for sure.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by offiss

Thats fair, but it could be a whole lot better for a lot less money that is for sure.

True but I'd lay that at Snyder's feet, not Gibbs.