SGG's What's Your Issue Poll

[Schneed10]

People love to ask the question "what gives the government the right to tell women what to do with their body?"

What about the other question? What gives the woman the right to deny that person an opportunity at life; an opportunity to grow up happy, healthy, and free?

[saden1]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

People love to ask the question "what gives the government the right to tell women what to do with their body?"

What about the other question? What gives the woman the right to deny that person an opportunity at life; an opportunity to grow up happy, healthy, and free?

Just look around and see if you can find happy children in the foster care system. The world is brutal man.

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

Originally Posted by saden1

Just look around and see if you can find happy children in the foster care system. The world is brutal man.

I'm looking into adopting a child and I'm open to adopting a kid of any race, but baby white kids are in pretty high demand.

[hooskins]

Originally Posted by Sheriff Gonna Getcha

I'm looking into adopting a child and I'm open to adopting a kid of any race, but baby white kids are in pretty high demand.

haha, ok but I thought that post was hilarious.

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

Originally Posted by hooskins

haha, ok but I thought that post was hilarious.

May I rephrase? "White babies are in high demand." I like Saden, but I would never call him baby.

[saden1]

Originally Posted by Sheriff Gonna Getcha

I'm looking into adopting a child and I'm open to adopting a kid of any race, but baby white kids are in pretty high demand.

This is something that has been discussed in the past.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by saden1

Just look around and see if you can find happy children in the foster care system. The world is brutal man.

I was waiting for a response like this...

You're probably right in saying that if kids enter the foster system they're going to have unhappy childhoods, that's just how the odds break down. But not all kids grow up unhappy in those situations, there are success stories. So you're basically going to rob all of those kids of the chance of having a happy life?

Sounds like you're robbing them of the pursuit of happiness to me.

[Newjerseyredskinfan14]

well i think on the war in iraqu we need to stop worrying about the poor people on there streets when we got people on the streets of America poor. i think we should take care of ours first. and then worry about the poor people in iraqu

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

Originally Posted by Newjerseyredskinfan14

well i think on the war in iraqu we need to stop worrying about the poor people on there streets when we go people on the streets of America poor. i think we should take care of ours first. and then worry about the poor people in iraqu

Huh? I think I understand what you are saying, but I'm not quite sure.

[Newjerseyredskinfan14]

Originally Posted by Sheriff Gonna Getcha

Huh? I think I understand what you are saying, but I'm not quite sure.

well dont you think we are more inportant as citizens then them.. ya know us before them

[Newjerseyredskinfan14]

i think all of are guna take a long ass time to fix

[Schneed10]

And I hear you say that liberty and freedom come before your own personal conservative beliefs on the issue. I agree that freedom should be at the very core of every law we make in the United States.

But the question is which freedom supercedes the other here? Which is more important, the mother's freedom to do what she pleases with her body, or the "fertilized egg's" freedom to follow nature's course and be born into the world to pusue life and all its joys without being stopped?

[saden1]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

And I hear you say that liberty and freedom come before your own personal conservative beliefs on the issue. I agree that freedom should be at the very core of every law we make in the United States.

But the question is which freedom supersedes the other here? Which is more important, the mother's freedom to do what she pleases with her body, or the "fertilized egg's" freedom to follow nature's course and be born into the world to pusue life and all its joys without being stopped?

The freedom of the mother supersedes that of the embryo. I would have to violate her rights in order to protect the embryo.

As for your future value argument, I don't buy it. You could argue the world would have been better of if Hitler was aborted.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by saden1

The freedom of the mother supersedes that of the embryo. I would have to violate her rights in order to protect the embryo.

As for your future value argument, I don't buy it. You could argue the world would have been better of if Hitler was aborted.

The bolded piece is the fundamental difference in our arguments, and is why we have to just allow ourselves to disagree. I have the exact opposite view, that the rights of the embryo to live supercedes the rights of the mother to choose. To me it makes sense, because the mother just has to sacrifice her body for 9 months, and then the emotional trauma of giving the baby up for adoption, but then she lives her life and moves on. But the embryo is forced to sacrifice it's entire existence if aborted. When weighing the sacrifices, I think the woman should be forced to suck it up. But if you think the mother's right supercedes the embryo's, then there's no reconciling our arguments.

As for the future value thing, you're grasping at straws. What are the chances that any child grows up to be the next Hitler? Or let's expand that, what are the chances that any child grows up to be a detracting member of society in any way (a criminal, a bum, etc.)? There are a lot more healthy, happy, and normal people in society than there are bums. So if you want to talk straight up odds, chances are the child is going to grow up to be a good person with a solid life.

Besides, Hitler had a chance to become a good man, but he chose to be the piece of shitake mushroom. That's his fault, but at least he had a chance to choose how to live his life.

[Daseal]

Schneed: You going to pay extra taxes to foot the bill for that uninsured teenage mother to have the surgery? More people only adds to poverty in this country. I'd rather see more kids who can live in sanitary conditions, get an education, and not spend their time running the streets then tons of children everywhere adding to poverty and crime levels.

If you say you'll accept paying taxes to cover the millions of abortions per year, that's one thing. If not, I don't see where you can talk.