Patriots and Belichick Fined, Docked Draft Pick

[freddyg12]

Originally Posted by D'BOYZ

Mercedes-McClaren was fined 100 million for cheating and lost all the points for this season... Freddy you forgot the big think here They Cheated.... Imagine how many teams missed the playoffs because of this worst the Superbowl.... it's not like the first time he tried this.... compare it to F1 and it's pocket change... ohh and 500k it's less then 12% of what belichick makes and if he wins the superbowl he get's a 2 mill bonus .... even if he reaches the championship game he get's around 300k

1.) Your assumption (and that's ultimately what it is) is that he has been doing this all along, or at least before. Unless there is evidence to show that, you can't base decisions on that.

2.) don't know about you, but 12% of my salary would hurt if I was docked that much. $500k is a huge amount & it will likely affect his personal finances. Not saying he'll move to the projects, but he'll definitely notice it as he pays bills & budgets his $ for a long while.

3.) As the NFL & its teams see it, a 1st round pick is worth a lot. See some recent trades to see what you get for late round picks. The fact that they have 2 1st rounders has nothing to do w/it, they made a deal to acquire an extra one as is their right (& had to give something for it too).

4.) Goodell has to be ready to dole out the same punishment to the next team or coach, if there is one. Just because its the Pats doesn't mean they should be punished any more or less.

5.) I applaud you for believing that this is a serious offense, no argument there. I just believe Goodell set the bar fairly high & that others will take notice.

[D'BOYZ]

1.) Your assumption (and that's ultimately what it is) is that he has been doing this all along, or at least before. Unless there is evidence to show that, you can't base decisions on that. well we know they did it last year in the green bays game but ended with a warning and it's stupid his comments that they never use it for the game they were playing because then why tape the Green Bay game it's not like they're division rivals or were going to the Superbowl last year.

And if it did it last year and got caught and did it again you know he has been doing it for a time

2.) don't know about you, but 12% of my salary would hurt if I was docked that much. $500k is a huge amount & it will likely affect his personal finances. Not saying he'll move to the projects, but he'll definitely notice it as he pays bills & budgets his $ for a long while.

ok it will hurt us if they took 12% of our salary but if you new that if you did everything ok and reach your sales quota (playoffs) you are going to get not only that 12% back but another 24% additional would you be worried? now if it was let's say Crennel that did this and he'll probably will be without a job next year I'll be worried but C.mon we both know the patriot's are going to the playoffs and coaches and players get bonuses for those games.

Even if he doesn't make it at the end of the year Kraft can just add a bonus to his contract for X amount and you have no biggy. it's like when a multimillion company cheats and tells someone to be the fall guy do the time will put some millions in a fund when you come out you'll be a millionaire.

3.) As the NFL & its teams see it, a 1st round pick is worth a lot. See some recent trades to see what you get for late round picks. The fact that they have 2 1st rounders has nothing to do w/it, they made a deal to acquire an extra one as is their right (& had to give something for it too).

The point is that because they have 2 the penalty didn't had the impact that was intended they'll still pick in the first round

4.) Goodell has to be ready to dole out the same punishment to the next team or coach, if there is one. Just because its the Pats doesn't mean they should be punished any more or less.

Wade Wilson was the first coach to be punished for taking HGH for himself didn't use it to cheat and he got fined 200k and suspended 5 games which do you think is worse wade's or belichick? if there wasn't a case of a harder penalty for a lesser crime I would say they did the right thing but C'mon.

5.) I applaud you for believing that this is a serious offense, no argument there. I just believe Goodell set the bar fairly high & that others will take notice

I think he got cold feet we all expected higher just compare the difference on the aproach to cheating by the F1 and by the NFL it's huge New England came back winners again

[skinsfan69]

I just saw Belichick on TV ducking all the questions. What a coward! He can't even take responsibility for what he did. What a pussy!

[BigSKINBauer]

he got off easy!!! 500,000 and a draft pick? Sit him belichick out for a 3 games. Make him feel shame. 500,000 is nothing. Maybe kraft can pay him back in his next contract. Suspend his ass 3 games and dock 3/16 of his yearly salary.

Next they have the 49ers first pick also. So basically if they make the playoffs they are only losing a 20-32nd pick. If they win the superbowl they lose a 32nd pick.

This punishment sucks. They cheated. Dock them a game, suspend the coach for three, cut his salary for those games, take a first round pick away, and take a 3rd round away. That is what should be done in my opinion. He cheated and showed zero respect for the rules.

[SmootSmack]

Suspending Belichick doesn't really harm the Patriots though, cause you know he'll figure out a way still to "coach" the team. Draft picks are more damaging than BB not being on the sideline.

But does this explain now why Notre Dame sucks? Because Charlie Weiss doesn't have the advantage of a videoman at ND?

[BigSKINBauer]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Suspending Belichick doesn't really harm the Patriots though, cause you know he'll figure out a way still to "coach" the team. Draft picks are more damaging than BB not being on the sideline.

But does this explain now why Notre Dame sucks? Because Charlie Weiss doesn't have the advantage of a videoman at ND?

I think that it is more symbolic and embarrassing. A 28th-32nd overall isn't all that big of a dealbecause they have one other first. I think that both should be implemented.

He cheated knowing the rules. He didn't care. I don't care if it helped him a little or a lot. Cheating is cheating. He should have had to forfeit that game. I don't care that the camera was seized before it could have helped them. There was intent to cheat. If i got caught with notes on my arm in a test i would be f...ed. This is cheating. Suspend him and take his money for those games, forfeit the last game, and forfeit the first and third draft picks.

[FRPLG]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Suspending Belichick doesn't really harm the Patriots though, cause you know he'll figure out a way still to "coach" the team. Draft picks are more damaging than BB not being on the sideline.

But does this explain now why Notre Dame sucks? Because Charlie Weiss doesn't have the advantage of a videoman at ND?

I think you suspend him from all contact with the team. Any contact at all is viewed as a direct violation and subject to a one year ban as well as post season ban for the team and a $1,000,000 fine.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Suspending Belichick doesn't really harm the Patriots though, cause you know he'll figure out a way still to "coach" the team. Draft picks are more damaging than BB not being on the sideline.

But does this explain now why Notre Dame sucks? Because Charlie Weiss doesn't have the advantage of a videoman at ND?

ND sucks cause Weiss does not have Ty Willingham's players anymore.

[jamf]

They should be on probation for 2 years. No playoffs in that time and take 15 million in cap space.

[Monksdown]

That's unrealistic. Not only would it be unprecedented, but the Krafts were major supporters of Goodell's promotion. And, it's realistic to assume that there are some other teams breaking this rule. He needs to send a painfull message, not alienate himself from the owners.

There is most definitely some high level political considerations to take into account.

[70Chip]

Greg Williams said something kind of funny in his presser which can be seen at Redskins.com. The teams exchange film (now DVD's I guess) and he said he has seen film from other teams where coaches hand signals were accidentally left in the cuts. The teams forgot to edit them out. Pretty interesting.

[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by jamf

They should be on probation for 2 years. No playoffs in that time and take 15 million in cap space.

Hhhmmm...I'd say do the probational period, and any team that they beat this year doesn't count as a loss for those opponents. Almost like a "free space" in Bingo! LOL! That will never happen, but I guarantee that would hurt.

[Monksdown]

It's like a free for all on this thread to use your imagination. I think that they should play, and every game should count. But that their starting offensive line has to play with one hand tied behind all of their backs.

[jamf]

Originally Posted by Monksdown

It's like a free for all on this thread to use your imagination. I think that they should play, and every game should count. But that their starting offensive line has to play with one hand tied behind all of their backs.

How about Brady has to wear an eye patch for the rest of his career? That would be cool if he was traded to tampa.

[Monksdown]

Or they could remove his dick, and trade him to Dallas....