What is wrong with Santana Moss? (merged)

[SouperMeister]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

3rd and short situations. Just run the ball between the tackles. OR, go playaction and try for the big play.

Don't try to throw quick outs in the rain or run tosses. Seriously, wtf?

Given the O-line injuries, I don't mind the strategy to pass on 4th and a long 1, but I do have a significant problem with Campbell's decision to throw the swing pass to a well covered receiver 2 yards short of the first down marker. That's an example where he pretty much made up his mind that he was going with the first read when an easy slant to McCardell would have netted a critical first down. Hopefully Campbell learns from that play and makes a better decision next time.

As for Moss's issues, I don't think that he has adjusted to Campbell's velocity on short throws, but that's no excuse for dropping the deep pass in the 4th quarter.

[The Zimmermans]

if you add all of the drops to campbell's numbers he had 27 completions....that is good enough to win. He woulda had well over 300 yards....we would have F***ing crushed these guys....we completely shut down a hall of fame QB and greg williams was AWESOME joe bugle needs to crap down the offense's throats....the O-line did great for how many injuries we had.

[Gmanc711]

Man I really really really want to give Santana the benifit of the doubt...but the guy hasent played well all season. He has made a couple of nice catches but overall, he just isnt the player he has been the past couple years up to this point.

I mean Moss is one of my favorite players, hell his was the jersey I choose to wear for the game today....but man I've never seen one single player cost us a game the way he did today. Two plays just stick out to me, the fumble (obviously)...and when he had the chance to turn things around and make a big play with that catch, he drops it. That is a minimum of 3 points for us and ties us at 17......I really hope he has a good game next week because he's a guy I really like cheering for, but damn he needs to pick it up

[SouperMeister]

Originally Posted by Gmanc711

Man I really really really want to give Santana the benifit of the doubt...but the guy hasent played well all season. He has made a couple of nice catches but overall, he just isnt the player he has been the past couple years up to this point.

I mean Moss is one of my favorite players, hell his was the jersey I choose to wear for the game today....but man I've never seen one single player cost us a game the way he did today. Two plays just stick out to me, the fumble (obviously)...and when he had the chance to turn things around and make a big play with that catch, he drops it. That is a minimum of 3 points for us and ties us at 17......I really hope he has a good game next week because he's a guy I really like cheering for, but damn he needs to pick it up

Moss will bounce back. He was a stand-up guy during postgame interviews. I believe that his performance today will be motivation to make plays for his teammates going forward. I still say that the reverse was a LOUSY call on a wet field.

[Chief X_Phackter]

I think Moss and Rogers secretly switched jerseys during the bye week.

Jokes over, switch back please!

[RobH4413]

Moss will be fine. He need to heal, and his hands will be back.


I'm concerned about 1/1000th as much about Moss than I am about our o-line.

[SouperMeister]

Originally Posted by RobH4413

Moss will be fine. He need to heal, and his hands will be back.


I'm concerned about 1/1000th as much about Moss than I am about our o-line.

Totally agree on the O-line. Gibbs may have to move away from his total commitment to establish the run when the O-line is in shambles. As for the passing attack, the fact that Cooley was fully utilized underneath should only open up more plays downfield. Frankly, with the nice route that Lloyd ran on that deep ball, I hope he gets some chances moving forward. Working him back into the rotation will help keep ARE and Moss fresh, and perhaps help all of them to perform that much better as a unit.

[The Zimmermans]

moss was responsible for at least a 17 point swing......that is incredible

[saden1]

Santana is hurt, Portis is hurt (dude can't outrun anyone). The O-Line speaks for itself. Basically everyone is hurt.

[The Zimmermans]

THIS many guys should not get hurt....we have to be doing something wrong for this many grown men to get hurt every week

[Monkeydad]

Originally Posted by The Zimmermans

THIS many guys should not get hurt....we have to be doing something wrong for this many grown men to get hurt every week

Forgot about last year already?

This is nothing compared to last season.


Sticking to the topic though, Moss is a mystery to me. He's never had bad hands like this. He DID cost us the game. Even if he is healthy, maybe he should start next week's game on the bench. We may need him, but he doesn't deserve to start right now. He needs something settled either physically or in his head.

[GusFrerotte]

It is not like the stats have lied to us at all. We have the most overpaid WR Corp in the NFL for what we have received in terms of production the past few years. Remember David Patten? If Moss catches that bomb from JC on the Pack 15 game over. I opt not to resign him personally and not because of todays off day for him. I rather have a taller, more physical guy like TO or Randy Moss, Stallworth, etc that an undersized speedster. Santana isn't 100 % yet in his defense, but without the speed what is the upside with an undersized guy?

[dgack]

Originally Posted by GusFrerotte

I opt not to resign him personally and not because of todays off day for him. I rather have a taller, more physical guy like TO or Randy Moss, Stallworth, etc that an undersized speedster. Santana isn't 100 % yet in his defense, but without the speed what is the upside with an undersized guy?

I believe the guy you are speaking of is Brandon Lloyd, to a certain degree. Unfortunately he obviously hasn't played anywhere near those expectations.

[ArcticRed]

Moss will be fine. I agree with some of the others that the rain cause a huge problem for Moss. Everytime I see it raining I just know we are screwed. In the past, the Skins have been horrible on the rainy games that I can remember while Gibbs has been coach. The denver game in 2005 and I believe the playoff game against Seattle. Just like today, they dominated in each of the games but just cant seem to completely adjust to the hostile terrain and lose in the end.

My question is what the team did to adjust to the slippery ball and field. The packers showed that it effected their team, but were able to adjust to the conditions. What the hell did we do? From the looks nothing. We were slipping all over the field till the last snap of the game. We need this win damn it!

[JWsleep]

Moss's strengths are his hands and his speed. The injury can account for the speed (though he seems pretty fast getting behind folks), but the hands is something mental. Hope he works it out, because we need him.

To be fair, JC missed at least two crucial passes today--one the overthrow to Lloyd, the other a missed read throwing to Sellers instead of MacCardell on the short slant. But that's going to happen with a young QB. The vet WRs out there need to help him out until he fully gets the timing and touch of a seasoned NFL QB.

Oh, and that "interception"--Moss bounces it up in the air, and then both the defender and ARE come down with it. What a weak call that it was an INT. And so not JC's fault.