Why all the complaining?

[jdlea]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Every team has injuries and you can't use them as an excuse. I get soooooooooooooooooooooooo tired of people complaining that we have a banged up O-line. Wade is getting starter money. Fabini has been a starter in the league for a long time. Deal with it!!!!

Oh, so it must be the running backs who fell off, not the offensive line play. When a team loses one starter it's a problem, when you lose 2, that's a pretty big deal. Wade is getting starter money? SO WHAT!!!! (when you add exclamation points, apparently that makes you right) He's not a very good tackle and Fabini used to start, that doesn't mean anything either. It's a bad idea to add depth because you anticipate guys missing entire seasons. Neither one of them is very good, you can see that by watching them play the game.

Somehow, I think that the injured offensive linemen might be keeping the offense from producing the way they could.

[Crazyhorse1]

Originally Posted by jdlea

Oh, so it must be the running backs who fell off, not the offensive line play. When a team loses one starter it's a problem, when you lose 2, that's a pretty big deal. Wade is getting starter money? SO WHAT!!!! (when you add exclamation points, apparently that makes you right) He's not a very good tackle and Fabini used to start, that doesn't mean anything either. It's a bad idea to add depth because you anticipate guys missing entire seasons. Neither one of them is very good, you can see that by watching them play the game.

Somehow, I think that the injured offensive linemen might be keeping the offense from producing the way they could.

Ok, kill me. But i don't think the replacement OL hurt us that much. We couldn't have run against the Cards anway, and Gibbs would have tried anyway. Maybe we could have improved from 2.9 a carry to 3.2 yd a carry, but so what? Our running game makes a difference only when we pass imaginatively and mix it up successfully. We suck at vanilla. Somebody in charge is denying that reality. Cooley-- one reception (Holy Stupidity, Batman.)

To get ahead in a game seems to cue the wizards with the clipboards to shut down the offense so the other teams can catch us. For that reason alone, I think we'll play better offense against the Pats-- it not being likely we'll take a lead.

[rypper11]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Every team has injuries and you can't use them as an excuse. I get soooooooooooooooooooooooo tired of people complaining that we have a banged up O-line. Wade is getting starter money. Fabini has been a starter in the league for a long time. Deal with it!!!!

They are dealing with it. The way they are dealing is by limiting exposure and playing to strengths. Thus, no 7 step drops hoping that the 3rd string guard can block a Pro Bowl DT who already had 6 sacks going into the game. If JC gets hurt would you expect Brunell to run the same plays or ones better suited to him? Injuries are no reason to complain about losses but they are a reason to alter gameplans.

[dgack]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Every team has injuries and you can't use them as an excuse. I get soooooooooooooooooooooooo tired of people complaining that we have a banged up O-line. Wade is getting starter money. Fabini has been a starter in the league for a long time. Deal with it!!!!

You know what, though? I listened to the injury report today and it sounds like every team is getting hit in multiple places. They specifically mentioned the Skins in that report, and mentioned we're facing New England next week. You know how many players they mentioned in the NE injury report?

None.

So yeah, it does happen to every team, but some teams also just seem to have a knack for avoiding the bug better than others.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by dgack

You know what, though? I listened to the injury report today and it sounds like every team is getting hit in multiple places. They specifically mentioned the Skins in that report, and mentioned we're facing New England next week. You know how many players they mentioned in the NE injury report?

None.

So yeah, it does happen to every team, but some teams also just seem to have a knack for avoiding the bug better than others.

A good part of the year NE has been playing w/out Seymour who is one of the best D-linemen in the NFL. Also they played w/out Harrison for 4 games and they also were w/out Maroney for several weeks.

[dgack]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

A good part of the year NE has been playing w/out Seymour who is one of the best D-linemen in the NFL. Also they played w/out Harrison for 4 games and they also were w/out Maroney for several weeks.

Harrison used to be a stud, but he is definitely on the downside of his career. Sammy Morris has been more productive than Maroney, similar to how Betts stepped in for Portis last year. I don't think those situations really equate to some of the other injury scenarios other teams have faced.

And hasn't Seymour been injury-plagued his whole career, a la John Abraham?

[SC Skins Fan]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

A good part of the year NE has been playing w/out Seymour who is one of the best D-linemen in the NFL. Also they played w/out Harrison for 4 games and they also were w/out Maroney for several weeks.

Dude, you refuted your own argument. Injuries are not injuries. The Skins have lost two starting offensive linemen for the year and then Wade got hurt last week and was playing with an injured groin this week. Rabach went down last week and didn't play. Pete Kendall is apparently dealing with a hamstring problem and played at less than 100%. So the Skins played with two of the five guys they started the year with and two of the five that did play were playing hurt. If you lose a d-lineman, an RB, and a safety that hurts (but not to the Pats) but if you lose freaking three offensive linemen that f's up your whole offense. Show me another team playing with a patchwork line like the Skins? Oh yeah, the 0-7 Rams and the Ravens. Either of those offenses doing anything at all? The o-line makes the whole thing go man and you lose all those players and it changes everything on offense.

[FRPLG]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Every team has injuries and you can't use them as an excuse. I get soooooooooooooooooooooooo tired of people complaining that we have a banged up O-line. Wade is getting starter money. Fabini has been a starter in the league for a long time. Deal with it!!!!

Banged up? Um we were without 3/5 of our starters, That is more than banged up. To be 4-2 with our line issues is remarkable I think. What is particularly weird about your statement is the whole Fabini used to be a starte thing. So what? Sammy Baugh used to kick everyones' ass at like 4 different positions. Doesn't mean he can do it today. Fabini is awful. He did't used to be but now he is. He is no better than a spot duty guy and he is starting for us now. Sometimes excuses are simply reality.

[SouperMeister]

Originally Posted by rypper11

My predicted score was off a little but my Warpath prediction was right on. Bitching from the masses about "conservitive gamecalling" and "Gibbs and Saunders holding JC back" even though we win. I am so tired of so-called fans crying that they want wide open offense and a completely stifling Defense. Of course JC should be able to throw for 300 yards a game and Portis run for another 200 because that's what they do on Madden 08 every week. "Take the handcuffs off JC" and "open up the offense". This is a tired and ridiculous decree from people who obviously prefer the AFL over the NFL. For the people who refuse to accept that having only 2 of five opening day starters healthy along the Oline and hate the "conservative playcalling", watch the Lions, Bengals and Colts. They are far more exciting though with various degrees of a winning record. Even Manning has looked human with Tarek Glenn retired.
For those who are just waiting for the Philadelphia Soul to retake the field and would rather lose 49-48 than win 3-0, please just tune into the NBA or better yet play Madden 08 and tell all your friends that you could take the Dolphins to the SuperBowl if only you had the job.

You're missing the point. Yes, the Skins won, but with yet another lead at the half, they had their asses handed to them in the 2nd half, and were extremely fortunate to win. What you, me, and every Skins fan wants to see is reasonable progress and production from the offense. Three 3 and outs in the last three posessions with the game on the line just won't get it done most weeks. It was obvious that the power running game wasn't working, and the Cards weren't respecting anything deep, so why not go to three and four WR sets to spread the field? Maybe open up more running lanes that way. Something, anything, show us a little creativity when the original plan isn't working. To me, it appears that we're coaching scared on offense. Thank God for Gregg Williams D, but even that won't be enough against the Pats if Gibbs is content to play for a 17-14 game.

[Beemnseven]

Originally Posted by SouperMeister

You're missing the point. Yes, the Skins won, but with yet another lead at the half, they had their asses handed to them in the 2nd half, and were extremely fortunate to win. What you, me, and every Skins fan wants to see is resonable progress and production from the offense. Three 3 and outs in the last three posessions with the game on the line just won't get it done most weeks. It was obvious that the power running game wasn't working, and the Cards weren't respecting anything deep, so why not go to three and four WR sets to spread the field? Maybe open up more running lanes that way. Something, anything, show us a little creativity when the original plan isn't working. To me, it appears that we're coaching scared on offense. Thank God for Gregg Williams D, but even that won't be enough against the Pats if Gibbs is content to play for a 17-14 game.

Couldn't have said it better.

I've been an Al Saunders defender from the beginning, but by this point, I really expected to more ingenuity from his playcalling and scheming.

Perhaps my expectations were a bit high.

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

Couldn't have said it better.

I've been an Al Saunders defender from the beginning, but by this point, I really expected to more ingenuity from his playcalling and scheming.

Perhaps my expectations were a bit high.

While Saunders calls the plays, Gibbs sets the game plan and he and Campbell basically said in the postgame that they had a conservative gameplan. Gibbs even said, 'We probably could have taken a few more shots out there, but we were happy with what we were doing.'

Campbell was asked by Kelli Johnson outside the locker room about not throwing downfield at all & he alluded to the gameplan not having many of those plays in it this week.

I don't really care to see JC dropping back and heaving it 30 yds downfield every series, but he's got to take 2-3 shots a game and not completely ignore the middle of the field all game. Success in today's NFL is 12-16 yds downfield over the middle but we seem to always be focused outside the hashes and up the sidelines..

[Beemnseven]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

While Saunders calls the plays, Gibbs sets the game plan and he and Campbell basically said in the postgame that they had a conservative gameplan. Gibbs even said, 'We probably could have taken a few more shots out there, but we were happy with what we were doing.'

And that's what I find troubling ...

[ncskinsfanec]

A win is a win, BABY! It really doesn't matter how you win in the NFL, it is a grind it out league with absolutely no style points rewarded. If we can get Wade and Rabach back next week the offense should look a lot more cohesive. The defense is just night and day from last season, Fletcher and Landry have been steller additions. I know we've got New England next week, but I think a win is still very possible! Quite a few teams would take 4-2 right now in a heartbeat, that's for sure!

[#56fanatic]

what is NOT to complain about? Again we are a field goal at the end to determine a win or a loss. luckily Rackers missed the damn thing. What we are doing in 2nd halfs is absolutely ridiculous. This staff better put something else together as the season goes on or we are going to be on the short stick of these games. The Giants and Packers games are going to come back and haunt us. We have too many tough games coming up and we are just not playing very good. The O line is horrible. I understand we have starters injured, but Wade was a 7 year starter, Fabini was also a starter. these guys are not scrubs that are career backups. They should be better than this. The NFL doesn't care or give effort points for teams dealing with injuries. The playcalling in the 2nd half again was horrible. We can not keep going run 1st and 2nd down and leaving ourselves 3rd and longs. I just dont understand how Moss has two catches, how we are throwing down the field to thrash?? Moss is our playmaker and he only gets two balls?? I dont even think they threw his way very much, no more than 5 times. Jason is playing well, this staff needs to allow him to move around, roll out make things happen. Open up the offense a little because the run game is awful. Usually you use the run to open up the pass, I believe we are going to have to pass to open up the run now. These games should not come down to a last 2nd field goal. We sit back there and let Warner pick us apart, when the entire NFL knows if he gets pressured he gets rattled. We blitzed 3 times yesterday, 3 freaking times, and I dont know if that can even be consitered a blitz. We sent 5! what happened to the aggressive style. IF warner can sit back there and pick us apart, what do you think Brady is going to do?

[freddyg12]

Originally Posted by #56fanatic

what is NOT to complain about? Again we are a field goal at the end to determine a win or a loss. luckily Rackers missed the damn thing. What we are doing in 2nd halfs is absolutely ridiculous. This staff better put something else together as the season goes on or we are going to be on the short stick of these games. The Giants and Packers games are going to come back and haunt us. We have too many tough games coming up and we are just not playing very good. The O line is horrible. I understand we have starters injured, but Wade was a 7 year starter, Fabini was also a starter. these guys are not scrubs that are career backups. They should be better than this. The NFL doesn't care or give effort points for teams dealing with injuries. The playcalling in the 2nd half again was horrible. We can not keep going run 1st and 2nd down and leaving ourselves 3rd and longs. I just dont understand how Moss has two catches, how we are throwing down the field to thrash?? Moss is our playmaker and he only gets two balls?? I dont even think they threw his way very much, no more than 5 times. Jason is playing well, this staff needs to allow him to move around, roll out make things happen. Open up the offense a little because the run game is awful. Usually you use the run to open up the pass, I believe we are going to have to pass to open up the run now. These games should not come down to a last 2nd field goal. We sit back there and let Warner pick us apart, when the entire NFL knows if he gets pressured he gets rattled. We blitzed 3 times yesterday, 3 freaking times, and I dont know if that can even be consitered a blitz. We sent 5! what happened to the aggressive style. IF warner can sit back there and pick us apart, what do you think Brady is going to do?

I agree entirely w/the pass to set up the run. That's what we did v. Detroit & JC had a high comp. % & we ran in the 2nd half.

We're also gonna have to blitz Brady. Warner had too much time on some crucial plays, e.g. the 2 td passes.