RI: Something to chew on (Mariucci speculation) (Update: Interview Wednesday)

[KLHJ2]

I need another beer. This crap is getting ridiculous.

[dcweldon]

I liked this out of JLCs article:
"One NFL GM, after studying the consecutive hires of Zorn and Blache said: "It all points to Mariucci. It's like you're starting a Washington branch of the West Coast family. Look at the coordinators. Then you've got Vinny who could put it together. That's viable. That's something I think you could sell."

Mooch would be a great hire I think, until now, I have been pretty shocked and upset with the move of letting Gregg Williams go...however, this also points to why Mooch could be the "mystery candidate":

"Two of Mariucci's former players also pointed out the similarities between the teams he had in San Fran and this Redskins team. Both have lots of veteran leadership and have a playoff pedigree, and, like Gibbs, he puts a lot of trust in his players. With the 49ers he ran a "Dirty Dozen" of 12 player representatives that met with him weekly and had a significant say in setting up routines, practices, chemistry issues, etc. Sounds an awful lot like Gibbs's Leadership Counsel right there (look at that Skins, I'm doing some homework for you. You can add this the whole "continuity" vibe should you unveil Mooch as coach someday)."

If this were something that Gibbs did, and maybe Gregg Williams was not high on, then maybe keeping Gregg would be messing up the continuity we have created, and Mooch would bring that all together.


My mind has been blow twice on sports, right now, and the Erik Bedard trade (as an O's fan, someone needs to get Angelos to sell, seriously) Also, I am preparing myself for season 4 of LOST, by finishing the previous season, I am on the last disc of the DVD series, and WOW...great writing.

[Luxorreb]

At this point I'd be relieved to get Moooooch!
God help us all.

[dcweldon]

Some more support to JLC apparently:

What about Bob? Glauber's NFL Blog

[pg86]

OH HELL NO PLEASE ANY ONE BUT HIM!!!



goddamn do u people know what its like for cowboy fans to come up to you and be like your team is shit and rub how good there's is in your face?? jesus...

Well I dunno how good is ol Steve???

[That Guy]

Originally Posted by pg86

OH HELL NO PLEASE ANY ONE BUT HIM!!!



goddamn do u people know what its like for cowboy fans to come up to you and be like your team is shit and rub how good there's is in your face?? jesus...

Well I dunno how good is ol Steve???

like, when we make the playoffs and fizzle out and they quickly follow suit?

[backrow]

This poll is much, much, more favorable than any poll for Fassel.

This message intended for those not having voted, and who suppose the Redskins have already picked Fassel, and for LDS to read as well.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by pg86

OH HELL NO PLEASE ANY ONE BUT HIM!!!



goddamn do u people know what its like for cowboy fans to come up to you and be like your team is shit and rub how good there's is in your face?? jesus...

Well I dunno how good is ol Steve???

Just ask them when the last time they won a playoff game was.

[QBall]

No to Mooch.

Too much of a players coach flake type for me.

[SC Skins Fan]

Originally Posted by QBall

No to Mooch.

Too much of a players coach flake type for me.

I don't know the guy and haven't followed his career extremely closely, but that is kind of the impression I got from discussions of his style on NFL Radio (Tim Ryan and Pat Kirwan's show - the best one on that station) back when he coached the Lions. The points that they would continually make was that it was a get in, get done, out on the golf course by the afternoon type deal up there. It worked in San Francisco when you had guys like Steve Young, Jerry Rice, et al, but blew up in Detroit when you had Charles and Shaun Rogers (hence the disciplinarian-type Rod Marinelli being hired). Seems kind of like Spurrier minus the stupid offense. Maybe that will work with this locker room, I don't know.

It would certainly be more fitting with Snyder's "splashy pick" style than Fassel, or Meeks, or most anyone else actually. I think a Mooch hire would therefore be in line with everything else we've seen out of Redskins Park lately (i.e. Snyder a la 2003) then any other pick. For that reason I'd be disappointed if that happens. I'd prefer Fassel to Mooch and I don't understand why the majority in this poll would favor Mooch. He did well (sort of, did he ever even advance to a Conference Championship) with very good teams in San Francisco then fell flat on his face in Detroit (as everyone does). Fassel has a much better resume IMO. Is it personality? Fassel's Giants connection? The fact that he was announced when Williams was still in the picture? I don't really get the preference for Mooch. JLC makes some compelling points though (as to why it makes sense given what has happened and how it would fit with Snyder's personality, not that it is a great idea).

[WillH]

Originally Posted by SC Skins Fan

I don't know the guy and haven't followed his career extremely closely, but that is kind of the impression I got from discussions of his style on NFL Radio (Tim Ryan and Pat Kirwan's show - the best one on that station) back when he coached the Lions. The points that they would continually make was that it was a get in, get done, out on the golf course by the afternoon type deal up there. It worked in San Francisco when you had guys like Steve Young, Jerry Rice, et al, but blew up in Detroit when you had Charles and Shaun Rogers (hence the disciplinarian-type Rod Marinelli being hired). Seems kind of like Spurrier minus the stupid offense. Maybe that will work with this locker room, I don't know.

It would certainly be more fitting with Snyder's "splashy pick" style than Fassel, or Meeks, or most anyone else actually. I think a Mooch hire would therefore be in line with everything else we've seen out of Redskins Park lately (i.e. Snyder a la 2003) then any other pick. For that reason I'd be disappointed if that happens. I'd prefer Fassel to Mooch and I don't understand why the majority in this poll would favor Mooch. He did well (sort of, did he ever even advance to a Conference Championship) with very good teams in San Francisco then fell flat on his face in Detroit (as everyone does). Fassel has a much better resume IMO. Is it personality? Fassel's Giants connection? The fact that he was announced when Williams was still in the picture? I don't really get the preference for Mooch. JLC makes some compelling points though (as to why it makes sense given what has happened and how it would fit with Snyder's personality, not that it is a great idea).

I thought you made some good points here, and being that I wasn't crazy about Fassel, and am more comfortable with the thought of Mooch as our coach, I decided to dissect this thing:

Mooch:
SF '97 - 13-3 Lost in NFC championship
SF '98 - 12-4 Lost in Div Round to NFC Champs ATL
SF '99 - 5-11 (ouch!) first yr of transition from Young to Garcia
SF '00 - 5-11 (double ouch!!) Garcia's first full year
SF '01 - 12-4 Playoff Appearance
SF '02 - 10-6 (won NFC West) Lost in Div Round to SB Champs TB

DET '03 - 7-9
DET '04 - 7-9
DET '05 - 4-7 Before he was fired

Overall record: 75-71

Pros:
4 playoff appearances in 6 years
Helped to develop young Brett Favre (Good for JC)
Excells with talented teams
Average Record influenced by young QB (Garcia) and crappy team (Lions)
At 52 he has experience, but could coach here for awhile
His coaching background is a good fit with what we have compiled
Turned SF around after a 5-11 '96 season (11 game W streak as rookie coach)

Cons:
No Super Bowl appearances, only 1 NFC Champ. Appearance
Painfully Average record
Inability to fix sinking ship (Lions)
Success in SF could be attributed to inherited talent (Young/Rice)


Fassel:

NY '97 - 10-5 (1st in NFC East) Lost to Wild Card team
NY '98 - 8-8 (3rd in NFC East)
NY '99 - 7-9 (3rd in NFC East)
NY '00 - 12-4 ("Playoff Guarantee") Lost to BAL in Super Bowl
NY '01 - 7-9
NY '02 - 10-6 Lost to Mooch in Playoffs
NY '03 - 4-12 Fired

Overall Record: 58-53

Pros;
3 Playoff Appearances in 6 years
Coached young Simms and Elway (good for JC)
Went to SuperBowl with Kerry Collins (granted the other SB QB was Dilfer)
Ability to rally team with playoff guarantee

Cons:
Painfully Average record
Lost in Wild Card round 2/3 of playoff appearances
Teams lost disappointing games to teams they shouldn't have
Offenses were at the bottom of the league in Baltimore as OC
Older then Mooch at 59

Overall after looking at this more deeply I still maintain that Mooch is the better candidate of the 2. Their resumes are eerily similar, but even though Fassel has a SuperBowl appearance I think Mooch has the edge with 4 playoofs in which he went farther on avg. Also Mariucci is the younger of the two, so that swings me in his favor as well. Their experiences in DET and BAL are similar blemishes on their careers, but in recent history most would agree that OAK would be the tougher of the two assignments. I could see where others can see Fassel as the better option, however, and I can concede that to you, but I think there is enough evidence in looking at their resumes to suggest that the Majority reaction being more favorable for Mariucci is not simply because of GW, or NYG, but I guess yes maybe the personality helps tip things in his favor.

[J. Spanky]

this is the first alleged candiate, other than gregg, that i can fully support. if mooch is announced as the new HC, that will be a huge relief.

it is very hard for a coach to succeed on a team with a culture of losing (detroit). we slipped into that mindstate for several years, but gibbs rescued us from that. we now, as an team/organization, believe we can win. mooch is a very good coach who, i believe, can take us to the next plateau.


snyder, get this done!

[TheMalcolmConnection]

My issue with people who have been out of football is you wonder if it's a stop-gap measure and if they plan to be here for the long term.

[QBall]

Originally Posted by TheMalcolmConnection

My issue with people who have been out of football is you wonder if it's a stop-gap measure and if they plan to be here for the long term.

Exactly stick with hair and make-up and laughing with Deion!!

[TheMalcolmConnection]

Originally Posted by QBall

Exactly stick with hair and make-up and laughing with Deion!!

Hey, that's not to say I wouldn't like the signing.

I just get nervous that Danny will start throwing money around and bring people out of retirement just to collect another paycheck.

Of course, this is all speculation and these ARE professionals, so one way or another, I expect them to do their best job possible.