Well, just like old times..

[QBall]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

After watching Moss fumble, drop passes, and limp his way through last season I've lost most of my faith in him as a #1 WR. He would be much better suited as a #2, and ARE as the #3.

Yeah that's hard to argure with you on your point. I still feel he can be a number 1 wideout when healthy.

I personally love the JLC coverage but he's full of shit sometimes. He always posts the idiot bloggers freaking out and gives them way too much credit. I also don't like how he bad mouthed the coaching search by saying our HC position had been devalued bla bla bla bla.....

[wilsowilso]

I say no to Briggs and no to Chad Johnson. If we could somehow get Johnson in a good deal then that would be my first choice. Linebackers are a dime a dozen. Briggs wants way way way too much money and Johnson probably does too. Johnson is the player that could dramatically help our team though.

[ksmitty7723]

I am sort of the other way around. Defense wins Championships (Ask NE). Briggs would bring great stability to a suspect linebacking core. McIntosh shaky return time, Godfrey talking retirement or going to Jax with Williams, Marcus Washington has been hurt over the last three years. We can get a WR in the draft.

[celts32]

letting rock go is the most disturbing part of that article. It's just another example of how dumb & dumber have no clue how to build a team. All that interests them is fantasy stats...guys who catch the ball guys who throw the ball and defenders who sack the QB. That's how they think. Good teams are made up of guys like Rock who think team first and do their job well. That's not exciting enough for the Danny...

[ksmitty7723]

Not to sound like Iverson, but are we talking about a return man? Betts and his 5 million dollars cannot reassume that role? In the hay day of the skins, we kept position "team" players around, not return men!

[GridIron26]

Ok ok, I admit I used wrong word.. Obviously.. But what I meant is we are going to go on shopping spree because if the trade for Chad Johnson happens - we won't have 1st rd pick and probably more.. We need those picks to draft some players such as Lineman or whatever Zorn and team feel whichever position is pressing.. As for Lance Briggs, I can understand the move due to Rocky's injury issues.. But Lance wants a BIG contract and I don't think we could afford him but it has never stopped Snyder from luring a player with money before.. Not even the cap salary..

[redwagonskins]

Originally Posted by celts32

letting rock go is the most disturbing part of that article. It's just another example of how dumb & dumber have no clue how to build a team. All that interests them is fantasy stats...guys who catch the ball guys who throw the ball and defenders who sack the QB. That's how they think. Good teams are made up of guys like Rock who think team first and do their job well. That's not exciting enough for the Danny...

In the NFL this year, among returners who had 20 or more kick returns, Rock Cartwright was #8 with an average of 25.8 yards per return.
The others were:
1. Josh Cribbs
2. Andre Davis
3. Aundrae Allison
4. Leon Washington
5. Darren Sproles
6. Maurice Jones-Drew
7. Ellis Hobbs
8. Rock

According to the Times: Redskins' Rock seeks hefty contract - - The Washington Times, America's Newspaper
"I would love to stay, but it's up to the front office," said Cartwright, whose salary cap figure this season is $680,000. "[NFL punt return leader] Roscoe Parrish just got [$4.35 million] guaranteed [in a three-year, $10 million deal] from Buffalo. I don't expect to match that, but I want something similar, some type of security."

Before we crucify the FO on this, let's see what his contract demands are. Then ask whether those terms are "fair" for a guy who is the 8th best return guy in terms of yards per return. Everybody gets on the FO for overpaying players, so lets see how this shakes out.

[celts32]

Originally Posted by redwagonskins

In the NFL this year, among returners who had 20 or more kick returns, Rock Cartwright was #8 with an average of 25.8 yards per return.
The others were:
1. Josh Cribbs
2. Andre Davis
3. Aundrae Allison
4. Leon Washington
5. Darren Sproles
6. Maurice Jones-Drew
7. Ellis Hobbs
8. Rock

According to the Times: Redskins' Rock seeks hefty contract*-*-*The Washington Times, America's Newspaper
"I would love to stay, but it's up to the front office," said Cartwright, whose salary cap figure this season is $680,000. "[NFL punt return leader] Roscoe Parrish just got [$4.35 million] guaranteed [in a three-year, $10 million deal] from Buffalo. I don't expect to match that, but I want something similar, some type of security."

Before we crucify the FO on this, let's see what his contract demands are. Then ask whether those terms are "fair" for a guy who is the 8th best return guy in terms of yards per return. Everybody gets on the FO for overpaying players, so lets see how this shakes out.

You make a good point. We will see what his demands are and what the market bears before making judgements. This article makes it seem like he is not even in their plans.

[redwagonskins]

Originally Posted by celts32

You make a good point. We will see what his demands are and what the market bears before making judgements. This article makes it seem like he is not even in their plans.

I understand the concern. Trying to understand what is going on in Redskin park is sometimes like trying to get info from behind the iron curtain in the Cold War. Sometimes, it's best to take a wait and see attitude...then get pissed off

[MTK]

Originally Posted by celts32

letting rock go is the most disturbing part of that article. It's just another example of how dumb & dumber have no clue how to build a team. All that interests them is fantasy stats...guys who catch the ball guys who throw the ball and defenders who sack the QB. That's how they think. Good teams are made up of guys like Rock who think team first and do their job well. That's not exciting enough for the Danny...

Rock is the one that wants out, he wants to expand his role and run the ball more, that's just not going to happen here.

Do you want them to overpay for a return man?

[celts32]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Rock is the one that wants out, he wants to expand his role and run the ball more, that's just not going to happen here.

Do you want them to overpay for a return man?

No of course not...I want them to value the role that he played on the team and offer him a fair deal to remain in that capacity. if he gets an offer that is to high for what he does for us then we wish him well and move on. I thought JLC implied the redskins didn't even want him back.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by celts32

No of course not...I want them to value the role that he played on the team and offer him a fair deal to remain in that capacity. if he gets an offer that is to high for what he does for us then we wish him well and move on. I thought JLC implied the redskins didn't even want him back.

They don't... not if he really wants a "hefty" contract.

[celts32]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

They don't... not if he really wants a "hefty" contract.

He's nuts if he thinks he's getting a hefty deal. He's a backup RB and a special teamer. I like him as a locker room guy...you subtract to many guys like him and all of a sudden any shread of the chemistry this team formed is gone. But his on field play does not warrent a big salary. I really can't see anyone in the league offering him a hefty contract and a chance to start. And if they do I will drive him to the airport.

[freddyg12]

Originally Posted by celts32

No of course not...I want them to value the role that he played on the team and offer him a fair deal to remain in that capacity. if he gets an offer that is to high for what he does for us then we wish him well and move on. I thought JLC implied the redskins didn't even want him back.

I'd love to see Rock stay, but my guess is that they have no intention of trying to sign him, or at least aren't in any hurry to. From a roster standpoint, I think Rock's value is very limited. He's a great special teamer, better in coverage than he is in the return game. He doesn't have speed or moves to create anything on his own. He's certainly not even a backup caliber rb in the nfl. He would be easy to replace & we can get a better rb on the roster very cheaply.

The only thing we can't replace is his team spirit. He's shown that he's a great team player & it will be sad to see him go if he does. Gibbs' retirement was probably the worst thing for his chances to get re-signed.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by celts32

letting rock go is the most disturbing part of that article. It's just another example of how dumb & dumber have no clue how to build a team. All that interests them is fantasy stats...guys who catch the ball guys who throw the ball and defenders who sack the QB. That's how they think. Good teams are made up of guys like Rock who think team first and do their job well. That's not exciting enough for the Danny...

Yea who wants players that catch the ball, throw the ball and defenders who sack the Qb. That stuff is way overated these days.