Chris Henry Charged with Assault; Waived by Bengals

[Monkeydad]

"Look out Dallas, here I come." - Chris Henry

[lwiedy]

Cautionary tale for all who espouse the “we gotta get Pac Man” jive. Just because it seems impossible that a guy would flush a career down the toilet just to “be himself” doesn’t mean he won’t.

[skinsnut]

Although there are a ton of us that are itching for solid WR talent....what 56fanatic said about his problems in college make any possible turnaround extremely unlikely.

It is a shame...why do WR's have such a hard time keeping their cool?
Where's the humility?

Mr. Monk....can please you teach these idiots on how to behave?

[DGreene28]

Henry has the talent to be one of the best WR's in this league. He is 24 years old. If the charges are dropped and he is not suspended next year then he will be available for very little $ . I think if you compared Henry to Moss at this stage of their careers you'd find a lot of off the field comparisons. I think a lot of people here would have stayed away from Moss last offseason becasue of his checkered past.... what about now? Do you wish we made that move? I know I do.

[#56fanatic]

Originally Posted by DGreene28

Henry has the talent to be one of the best WR's in this league. He is 24 years old. If the charges are dropped and he is not suspended next year then he will be available for very little $ . I think if you compared Henry to Moss at this stage of their careers you'd find a lot of off the field comparisons. I think a lot of people here would have stayed away from Moss last offseason becasue of his checkered past.... what about now? Do you wish we made that move? I know I do.

I agree with you. the kid has all the tools to be a Randy Moss duplicate. But the kid is trouble. He is only 24 years old. I think it would be different if he was late 20's, and finally realize that this may be his last shot. But at 24, in his mind, he is still indestructable, he thinks he'll always have the "right" to play football. I watched this kid, he is an AMAZING talent at 24, but honestly i just dont think he is worth the POTENTIAL trouble he could bring. We have such a good locker room that I just dont think it is worth it.

now, on the other hand - do you think Moss, Portis, Randel el, Griff, Thomas all the vets would be able to keep him in line?? Personally, I think they would be able to keep this kid in check, but they wont be around him 24-7, which is when this idiot gets himself in trouble. Now, take a 24 year old kid, with money, with the issues he has and put him in the northern va, DC area. Do you honestly think he is going to be able to stay clean?
NO way!

[SKINSnCANES]

I dont know why everyone is so against signing him or Pac Man. Both know how to play football, have great skills, and whats the risk?

here me out, you sign Henry, or Pac Man. You give them a heavily incentive laden deal and a short leash. If they dotn perform, or go to jail, you cut them. No cap consequences becuase its incentive laden. If they perform great, dont get in trouble, etc, then you just got a steal on takign a chance on two great athletes.

Do you really think those 'team cancer' guys ruin their teams? Assuming they are on the field. Last I looked, TO got run out of Philly, but did nothign but help him win on the field. So they had newsconferences where they diagreed on what flavor of chunky soup they liked, they still put up points and won...

I see no risk in signing them both, filling two huge holes, and if they get arrested again you cut them and are at the same place you started at.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by SKINSnCANES

I dont know why everyone is so against signing him or Pac Man. Both know how to play football, have great skills, and whats the risk?

here me out, you sign Henry, or Pac Man. You give them a heavily incentive laden deal and a short leash. If they dotn perform, or go to jail, you cut them. No cap consequences becuase its incentive laden. If they perform great, dont get in trouble, etc, then you just got a steal on takign a chance on two great athletes.

Do you really think those 'team cancer' guys ruin their teams? Assuming they are on the field. Last I looked, TO got run out of Philly, but did nothign but help him win on the field. So they had newsconferences where they diagreed on what flavor of chunky soup they liked, they still put up points and won...

I see no risk in signing them both, filling two huge holes, and if they get arrested again you cut them and are at the same place you started at.

One thing your missing is the business and public relations side of it. Let's face it. The corporations that spend $ with the Redskins are run by white people. And these people (I bet) frown upon doing business with people that hire thugs. I'm black and I somewhat frown upon it. And the TO example is not a good one. Say what you want about TO but NOT ONCE has he had a run in with the law. IMO that is a big difference.

If Henry is 100% innocent I'd take a look at signing him, but I don't run the team.

[DGreene28]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

One thing your missing is the business and public relations side of it. Let's face it. The corporations that spend $ with the Redskins are run by white people. And these people (I bet) frown upon doing business with people that hire thugs. I'm black and I somewhat frown upon it. And the TO example is not a good one. Say what you want about TO but NOT ONCE has he had a run in with the law. IMO that is a big difference.

If Henry is 100% innocent I'd take a look at signing him, but I don't run the team.

I think Moss is the better comparison, with the weed and the running over the female security guard... etc

Henry was arrested four times between December 2005 and June 2006.

- He was accused of possession of marijuana in northern Kentucky (Isn't too big a deal, cops usually break off a bud or two for later)
- Carrying a concealed weapon in Florida (Mistake, tough gun laws in FLA... Switzer was worse though)
- Drunken driving in Ohio (Bad, but can happen to any of us after a few cold ones, we're not marks like he is though)
- Providing alcohol to minors in northern Kentucky. In that case, he served two days in jail in 2006 after pleading guilty to a charge of letting minors drink alcohol in a hotel room he had rented. (He had a hotel party, if he knew they were underage he shouldn't have let them in... he was only 21 at the time bad decision)
-He was in court last week after being ticketed for driving with expired Kentucky license plates. He paid $149 in fines and court costs, according to the Hamilton County Municipal Court records. (Big Deal)
- Latest entanglement. (If guilty he's suspended from NFL so its's a non issue)

He definitely not sqeaky clean, but he'd be a hell of a bargain and fill a big hole in our offense.

[Dirtbag59]

To all the people who think it's ok to give this guy a shot: Please take the time to read the article in this tread. It's about a tight end named Jeremy Stevens who has caught one to many breaks. http://www.redskinswarpath.com/locke...Jeremy+Stevens.

[Stuck in TX]

Here I am thinking we could actually mention a released player and not wonder if we could sign him. It was bound to happen I guess, but come on guys!!!! No one can seriously think we would be interested in this guy. He totally sucks at life.

[onlydarksets]

Chris Henry in DC would be an unbelievable mistake. If either Moss or TO had come to DC, I guarantee it would have been a disaster as well.

The only reason Moss and TO are "model citizens" right now is because they don't have anything to bitch about. As long as their teams are winning and they are getting the ball enough to get the good stats, of course they are going to be "team players".

But that is not what being a team player is about. Make no mistake - at the first sign that their team isn't going to get them 80+ receptions, 1200+ yards, and 10 TDs, I'm sure we will see their true colors. We don't need that type of player.

[MTK]

Chris Henry innocent?

Now that would be news!

[MTK]

Lloyd definitely had some attitude issues that caused him to be a disruption in the locker room.

Just look at what JLC said about him:

Would be remiss if I let some news regarding an old favorite in these parts pass any longer. The wide receiver, No. 85, found a new home (at least temporarily) while I was on vacation, and figured I'd post on that situation.

This guy cost the Redskins a 3rd and 4th draft pick and about $12 million total for two years of service, if you can call it that, with constant off field issues and scant production. Perhaps they could have found a way to reach out to him more and connect, but it never happened and he was a cancer.

Lloyd signed with the Bears a few weeks back, and this deal is eons away from the $10 million guaranteed the Skins lavished up the receiver (even with him signed for another season). This time Lloyd got no bonus whatsoever. No incentives. No escalators. Nada.

Lloyd received a veteran minimum benefit contract with nothing up front, not even a workout bonus. Yes, the contract includes a $40,000 workout bonus, sources said, but first Lloyd must participate in 85 percent of Chicago's off season workout program sessions to receive it, so he got nothing up front.

The Bears could but him at any point and owe him nothing. Should Lloyd make the team - something sources said the Bears are not necessarily counting on ("They know he's a malcontent, but he played for our coordinator in college and was recruited by him," said one NFL source who spoke with Bears people about the signing. "They look at it like he's drowning - he's not totally drowned yet - and (OC) Ron Turner wanted to throw him a lifeline, but who knows if he'll use it."). Should Lloyd make the team he could earn a maximum of $605,000.

My take on this guy has been long established, but, I gotta say, if he somehow matures a bit and maybe deals with some of his personality issues, I could actually see him having a decent year. Now, these are huge ifs, but if he gets on the field I think he can replace Berian as Chicago's downfield threat and makes plays in spurts.

He will have every motivation in the world and will be playing for his football life. Then, of course, he may take that $12 million from Dan Snyder, build a recording studio in his basement and focus more on fashion and hip hop than football and totally check out. Have a weird hunch he does enough for the Bears to get himself a decent contract a year from now ... then buyer beware to any team that actually empowers him again, cuz his troubles run deep.

Also kinda strange how both of the biggest of the 2005 offseason busts - Adam Archuleta and this guy - end up in Chicago on the cheap. Archuleta gave the Bears essentially nothing in 2007, and will be very interesting to see if Lloyd makes it this year. Chicago's off season workout plan begins in a few weeks, and I would assume he would report and at least get that $40,000 in his hands.

Okay, that's it for tonight. We'll do some breakdowns of every position on the roster next week and definitely check in tomorrow. Got my hands on some very, very interesting - and telling - figures on team spending and the cap that I think you'll want to check out. I found it somewhat mind blowing while culling the numbers from NFLPA and NFL Management Council sources.

Link: Update On An Old Friend - Redskins Insider

[onlydarksets]

That's a vapid post by JLC - there's not a single example in there of how Lloyd disrupted the locker room.

Look, I'm not saying Lloyd wasn't a bust - he obviously was. I just don't recall hearing anything about him in the past year, which contradicts the assertion that he was a cancer on the locker room.

I did find this, which points out some of his blow-ups when he was playing:
Brandon Lloyd: Truth or Fiction - D.C. Sports Bog

Again, though, nothing last year. What do you think Henry would do if he were on the bench? I'm thinking 2-3 arrests.

I can't believe I am sort of defending Lloyd. I just wouldn't lump him in the same tier as a Moss/TO/Henry who can single-handedly put a team in the dirt.

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Lloyd definitely had some attitude issues that caused him to be a disruption in the locker room.

Just look at what JLC said about him:

Would be remiss if I let some news regarding an old favorite in these parts pass any longer. The wide receiver, No. 85, found a new home (at least temporarily) while I was on vacation, and figured I'd post on that situation.

This guy cost the Redskins a 3rd and 4th draft pick and about $12 million total for two years of service, if you can call it that, with constant off field issues and scant production. Perhaps they could have found a way to reach out to him more and connect, but it never happened and he was a cancer.

Lloyd signed with the Bears a few weeks back, and this deal is eons away from the $10 million guaranteed the Skins lavished up the receiver (even with him signed for another season). This time Lloyd got no bonus whatsoever. No incentives. No escalators. Nada.

Lloyd received a veteran minimum benefit contract with nothing up front, not even a workout bonus. Yes, the contract includes a $40,000 workout bonus, sources said, but first Lloyd must participate in 85 percent of Chicago's off season workout program sessions to receive it, so he got nothing up front.

The Bears could but him at any point and owe him nothing. Should Lloyd make the team - something sources said the Bears are not necessarily counting on ("They know he's a malcontent, but he played for our coordinator in college and was recruited by him," said one NFL source who spoke with Bears people about the signing. "They look at it like he's drowning - he's not totally drowned yet - and (OC) Ron Turner wanted to throw him a lifeline, but who knows if he'll use it."). Should Lloyd make the team he could earn a maximum of $605,000.

My take on this guy has been long established, but, I gotta say, if he somehow matures a bit and maybe deals with some of his personality issues, I could actually see him having a decent year. Now, these are huge ifs, but if he gets on the field I think he can replace Berian as Chicago's downfield threat and makes plays in spurts.

He will have every motivation in the world and will be playing for his football life. Then, of course, he may take that $12 million from Dan Snyder, build a recording studio in his basement and focus more on fashion and hip hop than football and totally check out. Have a weird hunch he does enough for the Bears to get himself a decent contract a year from now ... then buyer beware to any team that actually empowers him again, cuz his troubles run deep.

Also kinda strange how both of the biggest of the 2005 offseason busts - Adam Archuleta and this guy - end up in Chicago on the cheap. Archuleta gave the Bears essentially nothing in 2007, and will be very interesting to see if Lloyd makes it this year. Chicago's off season workout plan begins in a few weeks, and I would assume he would report and at least get that $40,000 in his hands.

Okay, that's it for tonight. We'll do some breakdowns of every position on the roster next week and definitely check in tomorrow. Got my hands on some very, very interesting - and telling - figures on team spending and the cap that I think you'll want to check out. I found it somewhat mind blowing while culling the numbers from NFLPA and NFL Management Council sources.

Link: Update On An Old Friend - Redskins Insider

[onlydarksets]

That may be true, but he was also known as a malcontent. I didn't sense any of that here. Chris Henry is a better talent than Lloyd, so I don't think getting him to produce would be the problem.

That said, I still think there is no way we should bring him in. He isn't going to get the production here that is going to keep him from acting like an idiot.