The official Jason Taylor discussion thread (mega-merge)

[theJBexperience]

Originally Posted by Riggo44

Just saw that the Tuna won't even talk to him now. I guess he's pissed about Taylor dancing with the stars instead of working out with the team.
ESPN - Report: Visit to Dolphins' HQ widens Taylor-Parcells rift - NFL

Yeah, they've been talking this up on all the Sports Radio here. Parcells is acting like a little baby. When was Taylor supposed to have cleared his commitment to Dancing with the Stars with the Tuna? When Bill was still a talking head on ESPN? It's just stupid. Jason Taylor has been Miami's best player for years, and now, Parcells has turned the town against him and won't even talk to him. Wow, I'd really like to go play for a guy like that.

[redskinsfanatic]

how about a straight up trade for taylor involving a current player?maybe carlos rogers or smoot???

[GridIron26]

Originally Posted by redskinsfanatic

how about a straight up trade for taylor involving a current player?maybe carlos rogers or smoot???

And who would take over either Smoot or Carlos' role when we ship him off to Dolphins? Jason Taylor is not worth any of our players except for maybe Phillip Daniels? It would be like if we had same player due to age?

I highly doubt Redskins would go for him even though it may look good to have him but it won't be good for us in two or three years later.. This is a waste of our time..

[DGreene28]

He's had at least 10 sacks the last 3 years, the only thing Daniels and he have in common is they are getting up there in age. If we traded for Taylor, Daniels would be a rotational player at DE and DT on passing downs. I Think thats where he could excel this season allowing him to pace himself for hopefully a playoff run he's no spring chicken and has shown a history of getting nicked. Taylor on the other hand has not.... he has been extremely durable and only missed a few games in his career.

[wilsowilso]

I guess I could live with offering a second rounder next year, but that is probably too much to give up in the current market. They will never get a first rounder for him so maybe we should at least offer a third.

[SeanTaylor21]

Originally Posted by wilsowilso

I guess I could live with offering a second rounder next year, but that is probably too much to give up in the current market. They will never get a first rounder for him so maybe we should at least offer a third.

He is pretty old, and I know he is still productive, but you never know when his gas runs out.

[Stuck in TX]

I say we offer nothing an not be interested in a 34 year old who has already hit his prime, especially since most people in this thread called for us to draft a DE because ours are too old...

[DGreene28]

Taylor was Defensive player of the year 2 seasons ago. He is 34 but could be a great addition to our D-line. If you have questions about how much more he has in the tank and what kind of impact he would have for us next year look no further then Strahan's impact on the G-Men last year... Without the aging Stahan the Giants do not win the Super Bowl. This is not a player who has had injury problems and hes a great locker room guy. If we can get him for a 2nd then we need to pull the trigger yesterday. Taylor has not won a ring and getting a character guy who can still play 2-3 years is a no brainer. The Giants are proof that there are a lot of teams who can make a run at the bowl and we are in that group next year... a key move like this could put us over the hump

[DGreene28]

He'll turn 34 Week 1 next season. So technically he's 33 right now.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by DGreene28

Taylor was Defensive player of the year 2 seasons ago. He is 34 but could be a great addition to our D-line. If you have questions about how much more he has in the tank and what kind of impact he would have for us next year look no further then Strahan's impact on the G-Men last year... Without the aging Stahan the Giants do not win the Super Bowl. This is not a player who has had injury problems and hes a great locker room guy. If we can get him for a 2nd then we need to pull the trigger yesterday. Taylor has not won a ring and getting a character guy who can still play 2-3 years is a no brainer. The Giants are proof that there are a lot of teams who can make a run at the bowl and we are in that group next year... a key move like this could put us over the hump

Let Miami release him and then we'll pick him up. They probably don't want to pay is 8 mil salary so play the waiting game. Giving up a high draft pick for Taylor is simply insane.

I'm not so sure about Taylor putting us over the hump either. We don't have a wr like Plax B. that can take over a game. Plus the Giants have 3 or 4 guys that can get after the passer. Right now we barely have one.

[DGreene28]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Let Miami release him and then we'll pick him up. They probably don't want to pay is 8 mil salary so play the waiting game. Giving up a high draft pick for Taylor is simply insane.

I'm not so sure about Taylor putting us over the hump either. We don't have a wr like Plax B. that can take over a game. Plus the Giants have 3 or 4 guys that can get after the passer. Right now we barely have one.

I doubt Miami will release him, nothing new has happened here since the draft. Parcells put some bait out there (Taylor) leading up to the draft hoping to catch a big fish (1st Round pick) and when he didn't get any bites he's going to keep Taylor. He also set the tone in Miami moving forward. Taylor is a good bet to have 10 sacks next season and the Phins are way under the cap ($18.5 million of cap room). Unless there are any more incidents/statements here I think Taylor stays in South Beach.

Carter is great speed rushing DE and Griffin is a very solid DT who can get after the passer so I think if we added Taylor we'd have 3 guys who could get after the passer. Santana Moss dominated games a few years ago with his speed. Plex dominated a few games last season with his size when he wasn't hurt.

We are not guaranteed to get a star or even a standout with the 2nd round pick in the 2009 Draft. It's still a crapshoot... for every Cooley and Dockery in the 3rd round there's a Rashad Bauman, Cliff Russell and Lloyd Harrisson. For every Jon Jansen or Fred Smoot in the 2nd there's a Taylor Jacobs, Greg Jones, Stephen Alexander or Ladell Betts. Betts has been a good player for us but worthy of a 2nd round pick? Not IMO. We've had some bad luck in the 1st round too. Is 2 seasons of a proven comody like Jason Taylor playing at a Pro Bowl level worth the opportunity of drafting Ladell Betts in the 2nd round?

Gibbs traded our 1st rounder for an older veteran T Jim Lachey who ended up being one of the key pieces in a couple SB's

It was fun having 3 picks in the 2nd round but if in 5 years we look back and 1 or god forbid 2 of them never make an impact on the field then trading one of those 2nd rounders for Jason Taylor who went on to play 2 more years of 11 sack, pro bowl DE looks like a no brainer doesn't it?

My point is, draft picks are not proven commodities no matter how high they are. If you can mortgage some of that risk over the long haul for less of a risk over a shorter period of time sometimes it makes sense.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by DGreene28

I doubt Miami will release him, nothing new has happened here since the draft. Parcells put some bait out there (Taylor) leading up to the draft hoping to catch a big fish (1st Round pick) and when he didn't get any bites he's going to keep Taylor. He also set the tone in Miami moving forward. Taylor is a good bet to have 10 sacks next season and the Phins are way under the cap ($18.5 million of cap room). Unless there are any more incidents/statements here I think Taylor stays in South Beach.

Carter is great speed rushing DE and Griffin is a very solid DT who can get after the passer so I think if we added Taylor we'd have 3 guys who could get after the passer. Santana Moss dominated games a few years ago with his speed. Plex dominated a few games last season with his size when he wasn't hurt.

We are not guaranteed to get a star or even a standout with the 2nd round pick in the 2009 Draft. It's still a crapshoot... for every Cooley and Dockery in the 3rd round there's a Rashad Bauman, Cliff Russell and Lloyd Harrisson. For every Jon Jansen or Fred Smoot in the 2nd there's a Taylor Jacobs, Greg Jones, Stephen Alexander or Ladell Betts. Betts has been a good player for us but worthy of a 2nd round pick? Not IMO. We've had some bad luck in the 1st round too. Is 2 seasons of a proven comody like Jason Taylor playing at a Pro Bowl level worth the opportunity of drafting Ladell Betts in the 2nd round?

Gibbs traded our 1st rounder for an older veteran T Jim Lachey who ended up being one of the key pieces in a couple SB's

It was fun having 3 picks in the 2nd round but if in 5 years we look back and 1 or god forbid 2 of them never make an impact on the field then trading one of those 2nd rounders for Jason Taylor who went on to play 2 more years of 11 sack, pro bowl DE looks like a no brainer doesn't it?

My point is, draft picks are not proven commodities no matter how high they are. If you can mortgage some of that risk over the long haul for less of a risk over a shorter period of time sometimes it makes sense.

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Well last time I checked the Giants D-line simply beat the crap out of NE's O-line when it mattered most. Our D-line does not have that type of ability of dominate. I haven't seen Griff cave in the pocket since 05. He's solid but he can't dominate and neither can Carter. Moss is not a #1 wr. He's too streaky, hasn't put up big numbers since 05 and injuries really seem to hurt his play. Plus he doesn't get in the end zone like Burress does and that's why we drafted Kelly and Thomas.

Taylor would help but we've already tried this experiment with Bruce Smith. It didn't work. Plus we're not really a SB contending type of team. It looks like we're in transition. New coach, new system on offense and so on. So why chase a 34 year old DE that makes 8 mil?? I just don't see him pushing us over the hump. We've just got too many question marks.

If one of these 2nd round guys fail it doesn't cripple the cap for the next 10 years like this Brandon Lloyd BS. I hope we keep on drafting, and add free agents here and there.

[T.O.Killa]

We should have signed Kearse or Antwan Odom.

[mrreddman]

I think it would be a great pick up for a 3rd round pick. Maybe even a 2nd round pick if we could get a later round pick in return. The only super glarring weekness on our team right now is a pass rushing end to play opposite of Carter. He is a bit old but probably has 2 good years left and would be the best player on our d-line. Plus I believe he is from Waldorf so he probably wouldnt mind coming home to end his career with a playoff team! I think he is the missing piece to a deep playoff run by the skins. Then all we would need is another veteran backup LB just in case Rocky doesnt fully come back or Marcus gets hurt again..... maybe Roosevelt Colvin??? Then next year add another O-lineman and draft all defensive players next year for our aging D!!

[skinsnut]

I initially did not want any part of this guy pre-draft due to age....however, the draft did not result in a DE for us...even for depth.

It is pretty clear to me that when the Skins drafted their first 3 picks that they either thought...
They could survive with the Dline without changes (I dont agree)
They could somehow get a free agent DE (unlikely, except for sloppy depth)
They could get decent talent with some sort of trade.

The only trade bait we have now is one of our wideouts or future picks.
No way should we trade a young player for an old one....and I think Vinny agrees.
So that leaves draft picks.

Yes, Taylor is worth a 3rd....to the Skins, maybe more because even if we draft a killer DE next year, we still need a solid starter that year.

He is definately not worth a first....a second is probably too much unless they give us something...such as a 4th or a player...like a backup LB....(we are short on those)

I like Taylor...imagine Taylor and Carter, with Daniels at DT on 3rd and long.
Daniels has bulked up off season so he can play DT.

By the way....why do you think the Skins made cap space?
Yes...to try to get a WR.....but I'm sure more aquisition options were on the table besides Chad Johnson....and everyone knows...the top need on defense for the Skins is another pass rushing end.

I say....give the fins a 3rd and get his butt up here fast!
I would love it!