Jason Campbell pulled his hammy

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by goredskins1983

campbell is a deadbeat loser. his record as a starter sucks. his QB rating sucks. he throws untimely INTs (TB and Dallas games). he has shown NO improvement year to year. let me guess, you probably liked ramsey too, right? The QB position requires brains as well as skill...you put in Collins and he goes 4-1. No superbowl, but Campbell was 4-6 as a started including a win against AZ in which the Skins had 178 yards of total offense and used the D to win. wow thats great, let me tell you. I want to win now, and I want the guy who can get wins. You may like a 4-6 record, and perhaps you used to be an ex Lions or ex Cardinals fan? lucky for you, there was a coaching change, else, Gibbs and Saunders would have kept Collins as a starter for next year.

Are you serious or just trolling? Let's look at some facts:

Todd Collins is a career back-up. He QB'd games against the Bears (lots of rain), Giants (wind storm), Vikings, and Cowboys (resting for playoffs). He threw for 156 against the Giants, 261 against the Vikes, 223 against the Cowboys. Our D was playing very well in those four games and those are not stellar passing numbers. Collins played solid and came through in those games to his credit. However after a few weeks of film on him, Seattle made him look pretty bad and I recall a couple of "untimely interceptions" in that game.

You imply that Campbell lacks "brains". I would say the Wonderlic test is a good raw indicator of "brains". Campbell scored a 28. Lets look at some other "smart" QBs: Hasselbeck - 29, Peyton Manning - 25, Marc Bulger - 29, Drew Brees - 28, Carson Palmer - 26, Tom Brady - 33. Not only is your statement insulting, it's flat-out wrong. Before you make statements like that you should check your facts so you don't appear to lack "brains".

A 77.6 QB rating, while not stellar, surely doesn't "suck". Campbell has shown improvement year-to-year even with a rookie QB coach. His Yards per Game went from 185 to 207. His completion % went from 53.1 to 60. His Int % dropped from 2.9 to 2.6 (7th best in the NFL).

Campbell is basically entering his sophomore season, having started only 19 games. If you look at Matt Hasselbeck in his first 12 games he had a 54.8 completion % and a 70.9 QB rating. The next seaon he started 12 games and improved to 63.7 completion % and an 87.8 rating. The following season he was a Pro-Bowl caliber QB, posting a 61 completion % and a 91.4 QB rating. Campbell has better physical skills, a stronger arm and the same "brains" as Hasselbeck. With Zorn mentoring and developing JC, expect him to be playing at a Pro Bowl level towards the end of this season or early next season.

Also, No way Gibbs would've made Collins the starter had he stayed either.

[GridIron26]

Originally Posted by goredskins1983

campbell is a deadbeat loser. his record as a starter sucks. his QB rating sucks. he throws untimely INTs (TB and Dallas games). he has shown NO improvement year to year. let me guess, you probably liked ramsey too, right? The QB position requires brains as well as skill...you put in Collins and he goes 4-1. No superbowl, but Campbell was 4-6 as a started including a win against AZ in which the Skins had 178 yards of total offense and used the D to win. wow thats great, let me tell you. I want to win now, and I want the guy who can get wins. You may like a 4-6 record, and perhaps you used to be an ex Lions or ex Cardinals fan? lucky for you, there was a coaching change, else, Gibbs and Saunders would have kept Collins as a starter for next year.

I usually respect everyone's opinions and debate with it if my opinions happen to be different.. But I always think that nobody has right to put football players down, especially when that person does not have great knowledge about football..

You are right, Campbell did blow some games but he also won some games for us.. Everyone have their good and bad days including during the gamedays.. You said that Campbell is not smart? I find that very hard to believe, along with some people's facts they just posted to prove you wrong in this thread, if Campbell is not smart as you claimed - then tell me this, how did he managed to survive with 7 different offense system in 8 years? (I believe the numbers are right? If it's not, I'm pretty sure that the number is close to correct number.) It is VERY difficult to learn different offense every year, and I believe Campbell handled it very well.. Please, next time before you start talking shit about someone, think it out and find all facts before you start say something..

I do understand your "anger", as Redskins haven't been exactly great team lately.. But dude, we were great in 80's; every team will have their turn to shine.. You cannot expect a team to be GREAT for years and years, perhaps unless you have same coach for years.. But this does not give you a right to lash out on players who you have not spend time to get to know them. Chill out dude!

[goredskins1983]

wow great comeback.

[MPNRedskins]

Hopefully, it doesn't linger through the season.

[LandrySlice]

The Z man isin't worried about it, so neither am I

[goredskins1983]

7 -12 record as a starter and a QB rating thats been in the bottom third of the league the last 2 years isint going to get us any NFC east crowns....

i just want to win

and im sorry, he's not a diamond in the rough......

[NYCskinfan82]

JC will prove he is the man, this WC system will suit him much better, wait and see

[goredskins1983]

slingin sammy - a 77 QB rating is below average. its in the bottom third of the league. His rating was 77 the previous year which means he is showing no improvement. collins may not be the answer, but he would feel more confident in him running an offense.

and for every hasselback there is a patrick ramsey and heath shuler

[chrisl4064]

Originally Posted by goredskins1983

slingin sammy - a 77 QB rating is below average. its in the bottom third of the league. His rating was 77 the previous year which means he is showing no improvement. collins may not be the answer, but he would feel more confident in him running an offense.

and for every hasselback there is a patrick ramsey and heath shuler

Are you saying that if right now you had to choose a starting QB to take us through the year you would go with Collins over Campbell?

you just need to respond with a yes or no, no explanation needed.

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by goredskins1983

slingin sammy - a 77 QB rating is below average. its in the bottom third of the league. His rating was 77 the previous year which means he is showing no improvement. collins may not be the answer, but he would feel more confident in him running an offense.

and for every hasselback there is a patrick ramsey and heath shuler

So that's your comeback....QB rating & Ramsey? There are several factors in QB rating. To look at that stat alone and judge a QB, especially one with only 19 starts, is very short-sighted. Eli Manning had a 73.9 QB rating and that turned our pretty good for the Giants once he "got it" toward the end of the season / playoffs. Vince Young had a 71.1, Marc Bulger had a 70.3, should those guys be benched?

If Collins is so much better than Campbell, why did no other NFL team snatch him up in the FA market this off-season? Why did he re-sign for back-up QB $$$? You are definitely entitled to your opinion, but your opinion is wrong. I will take the opinion of Joe Gibbs, Jim Zorn and every other coach & GM in the NFL who passed on Collins as a free agent before your mis-guided one.

[HOGTIMUS PRIME]

Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

So that's your comeback....QB rating & Ramsey? There are several factors in QB rating. To look at that stat alone and judge a QB, especially one with only 19 starts, is very short-sighted. Eli Manning had a 73.9 QB rating and that turned our pretty good for the Giants once he "got it" toward the end of the season / playoffs. Vince Young had a 71.1, Marc Bulger had a 70.3, should those guys be benched?

If Collins is so much better than Campbell, why did no other NFL team snatch him up in the FA market this off-season? Why did he re-sign for back-up QB $$$? You are definitely entitled to your opinion, but your opinion is wrong. I will take the opinion of Joe Gibbs, Jim Zorn and every other coach & GM in the NFL who passed on Collins as a free agent before your mis-guided one.

Well if I was a backup QB who knew the QB in front of me couldn't cut the mustard I would sign on, especially with a team and players I already know, Collins doesn't have a whole lot of time, our situation is probably his best shot, to start up somewhere new at his age would be very difficult.

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by HOGTIMUS PRIME

Well if I was a backup QB who knew the QB in front of me couldn't cut the mustard I would sign on, especially with a team and players I already know, Collins doesn't have a whole lot of time, our situation is probably his best shot, to start up somewhere new at his age would be very difficult.

My point was that if Collins was such a good QB, potential starter material, why didn't any other team make him an offer with starter $$$, or close to it. The Bears, Vikes, Lions, Jets, Falcons all need QB help, why no big $$ offers (rhetorical)....Because the talent evaluators in the NFL know he is what he has been for the last 10 years, a back-up QB.

For you guys that think Collins is the "second-coming" did you not see the Seattle playoff game.

[HOGTIMUS PRIME]

Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

My point was that if Collins was such a good QB, potential starter material, why didn't any other team make him an offer with starter $$$, or close to it. The Bears, Vikes, Lions, Jets, Falcons all need QB help, why no big $$ offers (rhetorical)....Because the talent evaluators in the NFL know he is what he has been for the last 10 years, a back-up QB.

For you guys that think Collins is the "second-coming" did you not see the Seattle playoff game.

I think your misunderstanding everyone's thoughts on Collins, 1, teams aren't going to give a huge contract to a career backup who had success in 4 games and lost the last game he played, 2, Collins success was more of an indictment on Campbells lack there of, in other words if a career backup who is really a little old to be playing the position can come in and turn our season around then what is wrong with Campbell?

[Dantheskinsfan]

they ran a WCO at Auburn when he was there, no?

[goredskins1983]

chris140-64 just scroll through the thread to see my stance