Obama Selects Senator Joe Biden as Running Mate

[saden1]

Originally Posted by That Guy

we'll at least you're honest about being close minded [anti-gay], ignorant [intelligent design], and extremely biased [anti-immigration].

we really shouldn't treat politics like religion or be so emotionally attached to parties that it becomes good vs evil no matter who's standing on either side....

Are you referring to me or the Republican party? Don't serve me sugar coated shit and tell me it's caviar bro.

We do agree on one thing, good and evil are a prospective.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by saden1

Are you referring to me or the Republican party? Don't serve me sugar coated shit and tell me it's caviar bro.

We do agree on one thing, good and evil are a prospective.

Don't go editing what That Guy wrote

[That Guy]

Originally Posted by saden1

Are you referring to me or the Republican party? Don't serve me sugar coated shit and tell me it's caviar bro.

We do agree on one thing, good and evil are a prospective.

thanks for proving my point. apparently every single republican (and nto a single democrat) hate gays, believe in intelligent design, are xenophobic, like in caves, smash rocks, beat children, rape goats, and love racism...

get real and put down the crack pipe. i mean, trying to prove you're non-ignorance with a post like that is actually pretty cool... i needed a laugh.

[saden1]

Originally Posted by That Guy

thanks for proving my point. apparently every single republican (and nto a single democrat) hate gays, believe in intelligent design, are xenophobic, like in caves, smash rocks, beat children, rape goats, and love racism...

get real and put down the crack pipe. i mean, trying to prove you're non-ignorance with a post like that is actually pretty cool... i needed a laugh.

I call it like I see it, Republican platform stinks and the party's base leaves much to be desired. If you disagree, that's your prerogative but don't go and call me ignorant because I find your party to be repulsive. That's my prerogative.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by saden1

I call it like I see it, Republican platform stinks and the party's base leaves much to be desired. If you disagree, that's your prerogative but don't go and call me ignorant because I find your party to be repulsive. That's my prerogative.

Ok, please explain what the party platform is.

[That Guy]

Originally Posted by saden1

I call it like I see it, Republican platform stinks and the party's base leaves much to be desired. If you disagree, that's your prerogative but don't go and call me ignorant because I find your party to be repulsive. That's my prerogative.

i'm calling you ignorant because you assume it's "my" party and you make such ignorant sweeping generalizations while apparently not noticing that the democrats have their own issues.

seriously though, it does make your sig even funnier.

[FRPLG]

How is what his son was doing relevant?

[SmootSmack]

For those that are actually interested in reading about the parties' platforms, instead of mindless drivel like every Republic hates immigrant and gays, and is all about God and greed, then here is the 2008 Democratic Party Platform

http://www.demconvention.com/assets/...e-08-13-08.pdf

And here are some notes on what is expected to be on the 2008 GOP Platform

Washington Times - GOP platform retains abortion-ban plank

Here is their 2004 Platform

http://www.gop.com/images/2004platform.pdf

As a Republican, a moderate Republican who is not anti-immigration nor anti-gay (I know. How is that even possible if I'm a registered Republican) I hope that the 2008 platform is substantive and addresses the issues that really matter: economy, foreign policy, education, health care. While I don't agree with everything the Dems present I thought they did a strong job in stating their case.

[NM Redskin]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

For those that are actually interested in reading about the parties' platforms, instead of mindless drivel like every Republic hates immigrant and gays, and is all about God and greed, then here is the 2008 Democratic Party Platform

http://www.demconvention.com/assets/...e-08-13-08.pdf

And here are some notes on what is expected to be on the 2008 GOP Platform

Washington Times - GOP platform retains abortion-ban plank

Here is their 2004 Platform

http://www.gop.com/images/2004platform.pdf

As a Republican, a moderate Republican who is not anti-immigration nor anti-gay (I know. How is that even possible if I'm a registered Republican) I hope that the 2008 platform is substantive and addresses the issues that really matter: economy, foreign policy, education, health care. While I don't agree with everything the Dems present I thought they did a strong job in stating their case.

thanks smoot, good info

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by FRPLG

How is what his son was doing relevant?

While his father was working on a bankruptcy bill his son started doning some consulting work for one of the largest supporters and credit card companies who where pushing congress to pass the bill. Its a conflict of interest and his son's law firm was paid over $500,000. I agree with the bill that was passed but I was pointing out to Saden that Biden is just another Washington career insider running on a platform of change.

[saden1]

Originally Posted by firstdown

While his father was working on a bankruptcy bill his son started doning some consulting work for one of the largest supporters and credit card companies who where pushing congress to pass the bill. Its a conflict of interest and his son's law firm was paid over $500,000. I agree with the bill that was passed but I was pointing out to Saden that Biden is just another Washington career insider running on a platform of change.

Your implication is that his son's consulting had something to do with his vote? The implication that the state of Delaware is home to enormous number of credit card companies and therefore he's in their pockets would have been more palpable.

[That Guy]

as for where i stand - both candidates suck, cause neither one is showing real leadership (cause that's not what gets you elected - pandering and playing gotcha games does apparently).

the biggest issue is reforming social security and medicare before they bankrupt the country... that whole 35 trillion in unfunded obligations doesn't sit well with me.

galveston and japan's health care system offer the best examples i've heard of as far as viable cost efficient alternatives... and both have decades of use to prove their effectiveness.

sane nuclear policy - the ability to reuse material (instead of using 1%, maybe use all 99% :P ) along with new pebble bed reactors (clean, safe, cannot meltdown).

funding the recent breakthrough in battery research to get it to market NOW, since it's MUCH more eco friendly and efficient than our VERY old school lead-acid variants...

those two things alone could eventually kill all need for oil and coal, though solar/wind/geothermal/wave power is also fairly cheap.

education i'm not really sure on... the college system seems to be working, since soo many foreigners come here to study, and i've encountered no issues as far as military discrimination (quite the opposite in fact, since the service pays the school directly, i've gotten steep discounts and free books, as well as flexible timetables and 60 credits for my job training alone).

I went to high school in fairfax county and didn't really see it as terrible in any way... though i wouldn't mind pilot programs for crash course vocational training (room + board provided + school provided "students" progress) to lower unemployment. the training can shift according to local/national needs and the tab can be picked up by the company when they hire you (for a multi year contract). - where i'm from, there's just not enough skilled labor (contracting - ie deck building, etc etc)

i could go on, but i've actually looked into it a bit and it sucks that the answers to put the economy back on the up and up are sitting right there, proven, and everyone's too afraid of mentioning them (and scaring people) to make it happen.

so how's that for vague "anti-everything"?

btw, no issues with gays, greed, guns, or god here.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by That Guy

as for where i stand - both candidates suck, cause neither one is showing real leadership (cause that's not what gets you elected - pandering and playing gotcha games does apparently).

This has got to be one of the very worst run Campaigns on both sides in recent memory, if ever.

I mean, you have Obama playing the race card on himself, trying to propose tax hikes on big oil, as well as the upper and middle classes. You have McCain who doesn't seem to be very interested in defending himself against the "Bush's third term" crap, suggesting a gas tax holiday as an economic breakthrough, and really making no clear attempt at all to balance the budget.

One of these guys is going to be running the country. I predicted that we would see a president worse than Bush in the near future, but I didn't think that day could possibly come this soon.

My vote is totally up for grabs right now. First guy to suggest an idea that might work gets it. Because right now, both campaigns are out there, just trying to prove they are the lesser of the two evils, and that should inspire confidence in exactly no one.

[12thMan]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

This has got to be one of the very worst run Campaigns on both sides in recent memory, if ever.

I mean, you have Obama playing the race card on himself, trying to propose tax hikes on big oil, as well as the upper and middle classes. You have McCain who doesn't seem to be very interested in defending himself against the "Bush's third term" crap, suggesting a gas tax holiday as an economic breakthrough, and really making no clear attempt at all to balance the budget.

One of these guys is going to be running the country. I predicted that we would see a president worse than Bush in the near future, but I didn't think that day could possibly come this soon.

My vote is totally up for grabs right now. First guy to suggest an idea that might work gets it. Because right now, both campaigns are out there, just trying to prove they are the lesser of the two evils, and that should inspire confidence in exactly no one.

Huh? I actually disagree with a couple of things you said, but that's neither here nor there. But one of the worst run campaigns ever?

Are you confusing your disagreements with their respective policy positions with the execution, sheer effectiveness, and organizational strength of the operations? Because I can tell you whether you like him or not, agree with his positions or not, Obama has run a phenomenal campaign.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

This has got to be one of the very worst run Campaigns on both sides in recent memory, if ever.

I mean, you have Obama playing the race card on himself, trying to propose tax hikes on big oil, as well as the upper and middle classes. You have McCain who doesn't seem to be very interested in defending himself against the "Bush's third term" crap, suggesting a gas tax holiday as an economic breakthrough, and really making no clear attempt at all to balance the budget.

One of these guys is going to be running the country. I predicted that we would see a president worse than Bush in the near future, but I didn't think that day could possibly come this soon.

My vote is totally up for grabs right now. First guy to suggest an idea that might work gets it. Because right now, both campaigns are out there, just trying to prove they are the lesser of the two evils, and that should inspire confidence in exactly no one.

I'm not sure that's possible. If that happens we're in for a world of shit.