Clinton Portis on the JT Show

[JWsleep]

Originally Posted by prinzeofmoval

Well it does seem as though Zorn was like well we're gonna lose this game so lets not injury him any further.

And it wasn't like CP was burning it up out there. Plus, Ladell was good on the pass--some of our only offense, really. CP needs to calm the **** down.

[The Goat]

This is the worst side of CP IMO (i think most of us on the board see it about the same). That said, I don't find any of this troublesome. Zorn, from everything i've seen and heard from him, doesn't take or give anything on a personal level. I guess he may be showing one side in public and another in the locker room and one-on-one, but I more or less doubt it. And because Zorn doesn't take this shit personal than CP will come out looking the fool as he should. The test then really comes back on Portis: is there too much ego to get beyond his own guffaws, in which case he starts looking to go somewhere else? Or does he take a step back? Really hard to say.

As to the laying of blame on offensive production I hope Campbell isn't pointing fingers and isolating himself in the locker room (and I really doubt it anyway). Zorn is right about the shoddy execution. Sure he can't satisfy the fans and just say "The line sucks donkey balls and by the way our receivers drop a lot of passes and run in circles part of the time." No, Zorn has to leave it general w/ comments about production. He's right. If we executed well we'd be moving the ball and scoring. This group on offense has absolutely no right to whine about scheme. For years it has executed poorly for long stretches and on big games, regardless of coach and scheme. Again, I think Zorn has what it takes to rise above the BS, not sure if he has what it takes to lead. It's a very fine line IMO between tough love - calling the guys out on execution - and becoming a bad guy. As the zen master says... we'll see.

[lemelgibson]

I understand how portis feels, bottom line, zorn is not taking enough responsibility for the offensive woes. I mean come on Gibb's offensive scheme seemed to get everybody involved. Look at Mike Sellers stats from last year and compare them to this year. Why does Cooley only have 1 td. This is the same o line from last year; why are we giving up so many sacks compare to last season. ZORN NEED'S TO MAN UP!!!!!!!!!!

[YellowBirdy]

This doesn’t look good either for the rest of the season or for Zorn. I think what CP did is totally wrong but I think that by calling players out all season Zorn has made this much more likely to happen. I think players must feel it’s a two way street and feel it’s ok to criticize the Coach if he publicly puts the blame on them after games for losses.

I think CP should suck it up and keep his comments private but I also think Zorn should grow a pair and at least in public back his players and take on some responsibility when our/his Offence completely fails to perform.

[sportscurmudgeon]

We do have a "body of evidence" to look at here - - and some of the data is conflicting:

1. Portis called out his O-Line early this year as not being all that good. He said that he would like to see what numbers he could put up if he played behind a top level O-Line. OK, he's basically right; this O-Line is mediocre. But is that what one would want to hear from a "teammate" if one were one of the O-Linemen?


2. Later, B-Mitch called out Portis for his improper comments and Portis lashed back. OK, he doesn't like to be called out by someone who many think should be a HoF player - - not an unnatural position. But getting into a pissing match with a guy who sits behind a radio microphone 5 days a week is STUPID to the max. Back in the 1920s someone once observed that you shoud never pick a fight with anyone who buys paper by the freight carload and ink by the barrel; in 2008, you don't pick fights with sports radio hosts.


3. Now, Portis is pissed because he didn't get to play on Sunday night. Gee, why didn't he threaten to hold his breath until he turned blue on the sidelines unless he got back in the game? Zorn says he missed some assignments; we DO know that he fumbled and that his fumble resulted in a TD. :confused:


Matty: Good thing for Portis that the Skins no longer have Sultan Mugillicuddy on the practice squad or you would have 17 threads by now saying how Portis needs to be cut so that the brilliance and Pro Bowl talent of Sultan can be showcased and revealed to NFL fans worldwide...

[schndr_tdd]

Bad QB play,awful OL play,WRs cant catch a cold, RB cant hold on to the ball,awful play calling at times,etc.etc..You name it the Redskins have alot of problems.But for Portis to run his mouth about his coach is not the way to vent his frustration.What if the Redskins were 13-0 right now,and Zorn benched him,would he run his gums then.I like Portis dont get me wrong,but im tired of the finger pointing.The defense is trying to keep all of this together does anyone care about them working there asses off.

[maroonandblack30]

Just listened to the whole CP interview. Definitely sounds like JZ is losing the locker room. Definitely needs to be addressed.

The fact that CP mocked JZ as a "genius" tells me he has zero respect for the guy.

Also, in the interview CP said that JC is basically given a formation and then he has to call the play from there... if thats true I think JC deserves a lot less critisism than he is getting. He is actually doind a decent job in first year in the WCO.

[GusFrerotte]

Originally Posted by maroonandblack30

Just listened to the whole CP interview. Definitely sounds like JZ is losing the locker room. Definitely needs to be addressed.

The fact that CP mocked JZ as a "genius" tells me he has zero respect for the guy.

Also, in the interview CP said that JC is basically given a formation and then he has to call the play from there... if thats true I think JC deserves a lot less critisism than he is getting. He is actually doind a decent job in first year in the WCO.

I think you just contradicted your own argument in a way. If JC is calling the plays, then Zorn isn't the one responsible for the lousy play calling. But then again, it should be Zorn or the OC calling the plays. Either way it doesn't look good for us. One hand we, have a QB that can't call decent plays and on the other, we have a delinquent coach not really doing his job.

[GusFrerotte]

Well we better beat Cincy next week and end up going at least 2-1 the rest of the way. To be honest Zorn better get the job done ASAP meaning '09 or I can see Portis wanting out bad. Barry Sanders gave up the assured rushing title because he was totally fed up with Detroit. IF Clinton deems this squad as a bunch of quitters and lame ass tricks, he might opt for a trade after '09. The guy can't be the only one giving it his all all the time. JC needs to step it up and show some leadership if he wants to be the fracnhise QB. Even Matt Ryan is stepping it up in that regard(being a leader) and he is a rookie.

[jtrob_1]

This would have never happened if Coach Joe was there!

[DynamiteRave]

Portis kept his mouth shut when Gibbs was here. (For the most part). Gibbs commanded respect and in turn, respected his players.

Zorn.. Something is off with him. If he's treating vets and rookies all the same, I think I'd feel a little disrespected too. It's almost like giving a promotion to the entry level Joe, that's been working at your job for a few months, while you've been busting your ass for years.

Maybe Zorn will be able to adjust in the last following weeks, but you definitely don't wanna end the year on bad terms with your players. As for Portis, I have no problem with him airing dirty laundry, so long as it doesn't stick a knife in the team morale.

You'd think T.O was playing for the Skins judging from some people's opinions here..

[12thMan]

Originally Posted by DynamiteRave

Portis kept his mouth shut when Gibbs was here. (For the most part). Gibbs commanded respect and in turn, respected his players.

Zorn.. Something is off with him. If he's treating vets and rookies all the same, I think I'd feel a little disrespected too. It's almost like giving a promotion to the entry level Joe, that's been working at your job for a few months, while you've been busting your ass for years.

Maybe Zorn will be able to adjust in the last following weeks, but you definitely don't wanna end the year on bad terms with your players. As for Portis, I have no problem with him airing dirty laundry, so long as it doesn't stick a knife in the team morale.

You'd think T.O was playing for the Skins judging from some people's opinions here..

Exactly. And we continue to compare this to what if Gibbs was here? First of all, in his last season, Gibbs wasn't even calling the plays..or was he? This isn't the end of the world. Zorn benched his best player and the guy didn't like it.

I'll bet if Zorn had benched CP but the Skins are like 9-3, Portis wouldn't give a rat's ass. It's the losing and blame shifting that has Portis ticked more than anything. I don't think he's finger pointing at all.

[Defensewins]

You have a problem with someone, be a man and talk to them in private. Try to resolve it. This show very little class and respect on the part of Portis. Very disappointing.
What is wrong with people now a days? Showing him up on TV is incredibly stupid and chicken shit.

[DynamiteRave]

Originally Posted by Defensewins

You have a problem with someone, be a man and talk to them in private. Try to resolve it. This show very little class and respect on the part of Portis. Very disappointing.
What is wrong with people now a days? Showing him up on TV is incredibly stupid and chicken shit.

Radio.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Defensewins

You have a problem with someone, be a man and talk to them in private. Try to resolve it. This show very little class and respect on the part of Portis. Very disappointing.
What is wrong with people now a days? Showing him up on TV is incredibly stupid and chicken shit.

The same should go for Zorn.