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Old 12-19-2008, 01:00 PM   #1
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I can not say conclusively that the Redskins would be a better defense without Greg Blache calling the shots. I can say with great confidence that they would not be any worse.

We may miss Blache as a DL coach if/when he retires, but I think (my opinion is) that a change in defensive coaching will -- if not immediately -- generate positive results in the long term.
Its hard to knock a top 5 defense.
I think that Blache is a decent DC but has limits.

His defense line appears designed to stop the run and struggles getting pressure.
Our ends rarely just go balls out at the QB is always seems like a controlled rush.
As opposed to the Colts, their defensive line is all about pass rush and they try to stop the run on the way to the QB.

Another problem that i've heard mentioned in this thread is that our blitzes lack disguise.
Blache doesn't really hide the fact that he is blitzing, opposing teams can easily read and adjust to our blitzes. This has put our corners (Smoot, Rogers) in a bad spot when we all out blitz.

Steelers, Ravens, Giants, Eagles, Bears all have a very creative blitz/package with lots of zone-blitz.
They show that 7-10 are blitzing but often only rush 4 but which 4 is difficult to figure out pre-snap.
The brief confusion this disguise creates is often enough to give the pass rusher the advantage, the confusion also distorts the QBs reads.
In the face of an blitz look QBs often check to a hot read, against a zone-blitz they might find a DE or LB sitting in the hot zone forcing him to hold the ball or even an interception.
(e.g. DT -Ngata & DE/LB Suggs both have 2 picks)

The defense has done enough to keep us in most games, but i agree with GT that Blache isn't getting the most out of our current defense in terms of pressure.

My problems with Blache:

1) Where has Chris Wilson been? Where was James playing time? (when we had him)-Where was Rob Jackson early in the season? Why wasn't their a rotation at DE earlier in the year?

2) Why doesn't Rocky blitz/rush more (instead cover where he isn't that great)

3) Why doesn't Blache turn the D-line loose more?

4) Why doesn't Zorn zone-blitz or disguise the blitzes?
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Its hard to knock a top 5 defense.
I think that Blache is a decent DC but has limits.

His defense line appears designed to stop the run and struggles getting pressure.
Our ends rarely just go balls out at the QB is always seems like a controlled rush.
As opposed to the Colts, their defensive line is all about pass rush and they try to stop the run on the way to the QB.

Another problem that i've heard mentioned in this thread is that our blitzes lack disguise.
Blache doesn't really hide the fact that he is blitzing, opposing teams can easily read and adjust to our blitzes. This has put our corners (Smoot, Rogers) in a bad spot when we all out blitz.

Steelers, Ravens, Giants, Eagles, Bears all have a very creative blitz/package with lots of zone-blitz.
They show that 7-10 are blitzing but often only rush 4 but which 4 is difficult to figure out pre-snap.
The brief confusion this disguise creates is often enough to give the pass rusher the advantage, the confusion also distorts the QBs reads.
In the face of an blitz look QBs often check to a hot read, against a zone-blitz they might find a DE or LB sitting in the hot zone forcing him to hold the ball or even an interception.
(e.g. DT -Ngata & DE/LB Suggs both have 2 picks)

The defense has done enough to keep us in most games, but i agree with GT that Blache isn't getting the most out of our current defense in terms of pressure.

My problems with Blache:

1) Where has Chris Wilson been? Where was James playing time? (when we had him)-Where was Rob Jackson early in the season? Why wasn't their a rotation at DE earlier in the year?

2) Why doesn't Rocky blitz/rush more (instead cover where he isn't that great)

3) Why doesn't Blache turn the D-line loose more?

4) Why doesn't Zorn zone-blitz or disguise the blitzes?
Blache doesn't turn the D-Line loose because he believes stopping the run is more important. Zorn doesn't call the blitzes. Wilson has been in occasionally. James was even in once in a blue There is a rotation at DE when everyone is healthy. Taylor, Carter, Evans and Wilson
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Old 12-19-2008, 07:06 PM   #3
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The Short List:

Bill Cowher - A solid manager and a good judge of talent. Will get the most out of his players, and unlike Jim Zorn, will utilize whatever talent is on the roster.

Gregg Blache - Bring in new offensive and defensive coordinators. I love the way Blache has handled himself, and his players, during these most difficult times. We don't need a genius/guru for a head coach, we need a leader of men. The players respect Gregg Blache, he's an experienced good leader. We already have a lot of talent on the roster. We're 5 players away (2 D-Linemen, 2 O-Lineman, 1 bad-ass pass rushing linebacker) from being a serious contender, and after we get Albert Haynesworth via free agency we'll be that much closer.

That interview Zorn gave earlier in the week he was asked if he would adjust his scheme in order to better utilize the players he has, his response was probably not. I just don't know if he gets it. To say he's developing as a head coach is insanity to me, these are the professional ranks. We don't have time for him to figure it out. Either he's ready to lead or he's not, and it has nothing to do with the fact that this is his rookie year as a head coach. For example; I bet Joe Gibbs can't change a flat tire, and I've heard Tony Stewart say they keep him as far from the garage as possible. Some people are natural leaders and some you can’t put in charge. No matter how smart they are.
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The Short List:

Bill Cowher - A solid manager and a good judge of talent. Will get the most out of his players, and unlike Jim Zorn, will utilize whatever talent is on the roster.

Gregg Blache - Bring in new offensive and defensive coordinators. I love the way Blache has handled himself, and his players, during these most difficult times. We don't need a genius/guru for a head coach, we need a leader of men. The players respect Gregg Blache, he's an experienced good leader. We already have a lot of talent on the roster. We're 5 players away (2 D-Linemen, 2 O-Lineman, 1 bad-ass pass rushing linebacker) from being a serious contender, and after we get Albert Haynesworth via free agency we'll be that much closer.

That interview Zorn gave earlier in the week he was asked if he would adjust his scheme in order to better utilize the players he has, his response was probably not. I just don't know if he gets it. To say he's developing as a head coach is insanity to me, these are the professional ranks. We don't have time for him to figure it out. Either he's ready to lead or he's not, and it has nothing to do with the fact that this is his rookie year as a head coach. For example; I bet Joe Gibbs can't change a flat tire, and I've heard Tony Stewart say they keep him as far from the garage as possible. Some people are natural leaders and some you can’t put in charge. No matter how smart they are.
Does anyone really think Tennessee will let Haynesworth get away??
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Does anyone really think Tennessee will let Haynesworth get away??

They had to franchise him to keep him last year, and they're not allowed to this year. So they might not have a say
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They had to franchise him to keep him last year, and they're not allowed to this year. So they might not have a say
Oh they have a say alright. They can pony up the cash and give him a long term extension, even if he gets big offers from other teams. He's playing for a contender and is the key piece of a bad-ass defense. Aside from money, I don't see much of a reason to leave. The Titans know that. I think if Tennessee really wants him long term, they will get him.
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I don't get how you type these things so fast GTripp. I mean that's like a college paper right there (Your last long post). You know a lot for your age. Like you popped out your mom with a TV and game tape in your hand.

Why are you not on TV, giving some of these tool NFL analysts a run for their money?
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I don't get how you type these things so fast GTripp. I mean that's like a college paper right there (Your last long post). You know a lot for your age. Like you popped out your mom with a TV and game tape in your hand.

Why are you not on TV, giving some of these tool NFL analysts a run for their money?
I've got a newspaper voice and a radio face

It's easy for me to write that much when I need to in order to make a point. I put a lot of effort into that one, but not nearly as much as you would think. I'm high on caffeine.
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Meanwhile, our real big offensive problems can be summed up by this:

You've heard of the bend but don't break defense? We'll we've got the world's first "Bend but don't score" Offense. We're above average in yards per drive, but 29th in TDs per drive. Obviously, something is amiss here. The rank is a bit misleading, since we've played the two best defenses, and the Giants' defense twice.

This does show a bunch of things. The Offense has much further to go than it could, potentially. It is clearly not inept, but rather, end-zone challenged. The Redskins convert a 1st and 10 into another 1st and 10 2/3 of the time. That's pretty solid. The Redskins convert a possession into a touchdown 14.4% of the time. That's pretty horrific.

Lack of the big play on offense is the single biggest issue here.

Meanwhile, our defenses yards per drive is right on par with it's points per drive: slightly above average against a weak schedule.
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And finally, QB Rating of the passers the Skins have played.

NFL average = 81.0

Tony Romo 98.3
Kurt Warner 97.5
Drew Brees 93.9
Eli Manning 86.4
Donovan McNabb 85.2
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NFL Average 81.0
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Dan Orlovsky 80.3
Ben Roethlisberger 80.2
Joe Flacco 76.9
Mark Bulger 69.8
Ryan Fitzpatrick 68.9
Derek Anderson 66.5
Matt Hasselbeck 57.8

We've faced only three passers in the top fourteen, but we've faced the four worst qualified passers.
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They are tired!!! Tierd of being on the field!!! Tired of the offense sucking the life out of them!!! Tired of losing!!!!!
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They are tired!!! Tierd of being on the field!!! Tired of the offense sucking the life out of them!!! Tired of losing!!!!!
Have you read any of the posts in this thread?
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They are tired!!! Tierd of being on the field!!! Tired of the offense sucking the life out of them!!! Tired of losing!!!!!
Thats not true. We have won the TOP battle (and in most cases by a significant margin) in nearly every game in the first 45 minutes of play. The problem has been, our defense falls apart in the 4th quarter and gives up long drives... our defense is not tired.
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Old 12-20-2008, 03:14 PM   #15
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I think it's in the fine print that we're getting this debate. In my opinion, and I think skinsfan69's, if you have 1st and 10 and three plays later you're punting at 4th and 4 the fact that you just gained 6 yards is kinda moot. But for GTripp, that's 6 yards that the offense has moved the ball.
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