Matt Cassell: Joke or No Joke

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

You don't think Cassell threw a ton of short passes to Welker??

I do think he threw a lot of short stuff. I just didn't see enough of their games to make a judgement on him. But the games I did see he looked pretty damn good for a guy that hadn't started a game since high school. He wasn't as razor sharp as Brady but the dude hasn't played so I think with time he can be a damn good starter. If you ask me he's just as good as JC.

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

I do think he threw a lot of short stuff. I just didn't see enough of their games to make a judgement on him. But the games I did see he looked pretty damn good for a guy that hadn't started a game since high school. He wasn't as razor sharp as Brady but the dude hasn't played so I think with time he can be a damn good starter. If you ask me he's just as good as JC.

Or he could be the Derek Anderson of 2008. The jury is still out IMO, but thus far Cassell looks very promising. Reagrdless, he's gonna get paid big time.

[44ever]

The only thing this proves is Cassell has what it takes to play in a working system. JC has not had the oportunity to play in such as a Skin. Bring Cassell here and I doubt he could do any better than JC.

In fact it's sad in a way that JC has had to play on our team. I believe we thus far have held back greatness. Not that I want to see him go.

[The Goat]

Cassell is a good QB working in a superior system. Bringing him to Washington won't really help us IMO. Different system and less talent for him to work with - not a great scenario.

Besides, JC is becoming the team leader. I was considering starting a thread on this but i'll just mention here that CP effectively removed himself as the team leader w/ his antics this season. This is just the way I see it. Meanwhile JC took a beating all season (sacked 38 times) and continued to stand tall in the pocket. He started moving the ball whether there was a downfield option, using his legs. And he's showing more personality/leadership now than ever. By opening day '09 JC is the unquestionable leader of this team.

[Meks]

No Joke.

he;s only gonna get better

[irish]

Originally Posted by 30gut

What?

Cassel only managed to put up slightly better numbers then Campbell yet Cassel was handed the keys to one of, if not the most potent passing attacks NFL history.

Follow me here.

If Jason can put up nearly the same numbers with a far less talented supporting cast then Cassel.
Doesn't it makes sense that Jason would do better with Cassel's supporting cast?

He was handed the keys but he didnt wreck the car. In fact he drove the car to a nice finish. People dont seem to take into account that he could have played bad and not won games but he didnt screw up and led the team to 11 wins in his first season as QB. Does JC have 11 wins total yet?

If JC was put into NE this year they would never have won 11 games because JC isnt accurate enough (his accuracy numbers are worse than MC throwing almost exclusively dink & dump passes) to make NE's O roll. He would bring NE down.

If MC played for the Skins this year I doubt he would have done much better than JC because the Skins just arent that good a team. With a good team MC will 10 times out of 10 end up getting the team to a better record than JC.

[MTK]

JC has 16 career wins, if you're gonna bash him at least take the time to look things up.

His completion % was slightly less than Cassell's. I don't see where there's a huge difference between either guy. I don't understand how any definitive statements can be made about how JC would play with a NE type of cast around him. We won't know for sure until he actually gets that chance.

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by irish

He was handed the keys but he didnt wreck the car. In fact he drove the car to a nice finish. People dont seem to take into account that he could have played bad and not won games but he didnt screw up and led the team to 11 wins in his first season as QB. Does JC have 11 wins total yet?

If JC was put into NE this year they would never have won 11 games because JC isnt accurate enough (his accuracy numbers are worse than MC throwing almost exclusively dink & dump passes) to make NE's O roll. He would bring NE down.

If MC played for the Skins this year I doubt he would have done much better than JC because the Skins just arent that good a team. With a good team MC will 10 times out of 10 end up getting the team to a better record than JC.

If Cassell was on the Skins this year, he would have done no better than JC? But if JC was on NE they "never" would have won 11 games? That doesn't make a ton of sense to me. If MC is so much better, wouldn't he have won a few more games for us? As was pointed out earlier in this thread, Brady won 3 Super Bowls with the likes of Troy Brown, David Givens, and Deion Branch, and had a 30 something Corey Dillon running the ball. It's not like he had a star studded cast during that 4 season tear.

NE had the most team rushing yards in about 20 years this season. Belicheck wisely adjusted his game plan to help out the young kid. And NE didn't throw a lot of vertical stuff either. Sure, the occasional deep shot to R.Moss because he can jump up and go get anything, but their offense was far from vertical this season - see Wes Welker's 109 catches, most of which were dinks.

All that, and MC had a completion % less than one point better than JC.

You mean to tell me if the Redskins swapped receiving corps with NE that JC's numbers wouldn't look a lot better, and Cassell's wouldn't look worse? I'm not buying that for one second.

NE has much better receiving options and an offense that has been fully installed for years.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by GMScud

If Cassell was on the Skins this year, he would have done no better than JC? But if JC was on NE they "never" would have won 11 games? That doesn't make a ton of sense to me. If MC is so much better, wouldn't he have won a few more games for us? As was pointed out earlier in this thread, Brady won 3 Super Bowls with the likes of Troy Brown, David Givens, and Deion Branch, and had a 30 something Corey Dillon running the ball. It's not like he had a star studded cast during that 4 season tear.

NE had the most team rushing yards in about 20 years this season. Belicheck wisely adjusted his game plan to help out the young kid. And NE didn't throw a lot of vertical stuff either. Sure, the occasional deep shot to R.Moss because he can jump up and go get anything, but their offense was far from vertical this season - see Wes Welker's 109 catches, most of which were dinks. All that, and MC had a completion % less than one point better than JC.

It makes sense if you're hell bent on bashing JC.

[irish]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

JC has 16 career wins, if you're gonna bash him at least take the time to look things up.

His completion % was slightly less than Cassell's. I don't see where there's a huge difference between either guy. I don't understand how any definitive statements can be made about how JC would play with a NE type of cast around him. We won't know for sure until he actually gets that chance.

It was a question as to how many wins he had, hence the question mark.

NE would never draft JC (let alone give up draft pick for him) because their front office is smart enough to recognize that he's not a pro style QB. There isnt a huge difference but there is a difference (especially the TD passes) and with an O that almost never threw a pass deeper that 20 yds its hard to get excited about what JC can do. Even Sonny said Sat night on Redskins Report that JC has never shown any sign or spark that he can be great and that concerned him. Right now the Skins dont have any better option at QB so I see no reason to change but I stand by my prediction that JC wont be the starter in 2010.

[irish]

Originally Posted by GMScud

If Cassell was on the Skins this year, he would have done no better than JC? But if JC was on NE they "never" would have won 11 games? That doesn't make a ton of sense to me. If MC is so much better, wouldn't he have won a few more games for us? As was pointed out earlier in this thread, Brady won 3 Super Bowls with the likes of Troy Brown, David Givens, and Deion Branch, and had a 30 something Corey Dillon running the ball. It's not like he had a star studded cast during that 4 season tear.

NE had the most team rushing yards in about 20 years this season. Belicheck wisely adjusted his game plan to help out the young kid. And NE didn't throw a lot of vertical stuff either. Sure, the occasional deep shot to R.Moss because he can jump up and go get anything, but their offense was far from vertical this season - see Wes Welker's 109 catches, most of which were dinks.

All that, and MC had a completion % less than one point better than JC.

You mean to tell me if the Redskins swapped receiving corps with NE that JC's numbers wouldn't look a lot better, and Cassell's wouldn't look worse? I'm not buying that for one second.

NE has much better receiving options and an offense that has been fully installed for years.

If Wash & NE swapped receiving corps I think MC's would go up and JC's would go down because MC would throw more short passes which I think he would complete a bunch of. JC would likely throw deeper more often and he just isnt good at that so IMO it possible his % would go down.

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by irish

If Wash & NE swapped receiving corps I think MC's would go up and JC's would go down because MC would throw more short passes which I think he would complete a bunch of. JC would likely throw deeper more often and he just isnt good at that so IMO it possible his % would go down.

That's funny to me.

[44ever]

Originally Posted by irish

If Wash & NE swapped receiving corps I think MC's would go up and JC's would go down because MC would throw more short passes which I think he would complete a bunch of. JC would likely throw deeper more often and he just isnt good at that so IMO it possible his % would go down.

Wow!

[44ever]

does anyone remember a guy named Doug Williams? Remember what happened when he became a Redskin with the best system in the NFL? Remember what he did in Tampa?

[MTK]

Originally Posted by 44ever

Wow!

Not much else to say right?