Ramsey on the move again

[SouperMeister]

Between David Carr, Joey Harrington, and Patrick Ramsey, the 1st round QB draftees from that class may have been the most forgetable group ever.

[Defensewins]

I had forgotten we wasted a 1st rounder on Ramsey. Wow.
From the football powerhouse Tulane.

[Kalisto2010]

Patrick Ramsey was never given a chance to succeed. I don't care who the QB was, no one was going to succeed under Spurrier's system. In comes Gibbs, and benches the guy after the 3rd offensive series because he threw an interception. So I don't understand how everyone is saying "he didn't have it". He was never even given a fair chance, plus he never had any receivers to throw to. Even when he went to other teams, he was never able to compete for the starting job. I actually feel really sorry for the guy, I thought he had the talent to be a real productive QB in this league.

[htownskinfan]

Originally Posted by Kalisto2010

Patrick Ramsey was never given a chance to succeed. I don't care who the QB was, no one was going to succeed under Spurrier's system. In comes Gibbs, and benches the guy after the 3rd offensive series because he threw an interception. So I don't understand how everyone is saying "he didn't have it". He was never even given a fair chance, plus he never had any receivers to throw to. Even when he went to other teams, he was never able to compete for the starting job. I actually feel really sorry for the guy, I thought he had the talent to be a real productive QB in this league.

I'm not sure he even threw an int on the play{cant remember} I just remember him getting coldcocked and then Brunell took over

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Kalisto2010

Patrick Ramsey was never given a chance to succeed. I don't care who the QB was, no one was going to succeed under Spurrier's system. In comes Gibbs, and benches the guy after the 3rd offensive series because he threw an interception. So I don't understand how everyone is saying "he didn't have it". He was never even given a fair chance, plus he never had any receivers to throw to. Even when he went to other teams, he was never able to compete for the starting job. I actually feel really sorry for the guy, I thought he had the talent to be a real productive QB in this league.

His resume speaks for itself now. He's been a journeyman NFL backup, about to move on to his 6th team in 10 seasons.

Honestly, all the excuses for why he didn't become a quality starting QB are really stale. It's time for the Ramsey fans to just admit it, he's just not that good. Never was, probably never will be.

[Kalisto2010]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

His resume speaks for itself now.

Yep, and his resume says he was never given the opportunity to play with a true NFL offense. He was playing with college has beens, throwing to Chris Doering, Jacques Green, and stone hands Rob Gardener.

He's been a journeyman NFL backup, about to move on to his 6th team in 10 seasons.

Like I said, he was never given a chance to compete for a starting job. When he left to the NYJ, they were dedicated to Chad Pennington. Once he was signed by the Broncos, they were already dedicated to Jay Cutler. Now they're sending him to Detroit where they're already dedicated to Matt Stafford. They guy was never given any true chance to compete for a job. Thanks to Joe Gibbs.

Honestly, all the excuses for why he didn't become a quality starting QB are really stale.

Yep, they're called stale facts.

It's time for the Ramsey fans to just admit it, he's just not that good. Never was, probably never will be.

Actually it's time for the Jason Campbell fans to please keep quiet when it comes to evaluating NFL QB's. Because your last prospect failed to even break .500 in 3 years as a starter.

[Monkeydad]

Originally Posted by Kalisto2010

Yep, and his resume says he was never given the opportunity to play with a true NFL offense. He was playing with college has beens, throwing to Chris Doering, Jacques Green, and stone hands Rob Gardener.







Like I said, he was never given a chance to compete for a starting job. When he left to the NYJ, they were dedicated to Chad Pennington. Once he was signed by the Broncos, they were already dedicated to Jay Cutler. Now they're sending him to Detroit where they're already dedicated to Matt Stafford. They guy was never given any true chance to compete for a job. Thanks to Joe Gibbs.






Yep, they're called stale facts.


Actually it's time for the Jason Campbell fans to please keep quiet when it comes to evaluating NFL QB's. Because your last prospect failed to even break .500 in 3 years as a starter.

[mlmpetert]

Originally Posted by Kalisto2010

Yep, and his resume says he was never given the opportunity to play with a true NFL offense. He was playing with college has beens, throwing to Chris Doering, Jacques Green, and stone hands Rob Gardener.







Like I said, he was never given a chance to compete for a starting job. When he left to the NYJ, they were dedicated to Chad Pennington. Once he was signed by the Broncos, they were already dedicated to Jay Cutler. Now they're sending him to Detroit where they're already dedicated to Matt Stafford. They guy was never given any true chance to compete for a job. Thanks to Joe Gibbs.






Yep, they're called stale facts.


Actually it's time for the Jason Campbell fans to please keep quiet when it comes to evaluating NFL QB's. Because your last prospect failed to even break .500 in 3 years as a starter.

Everything you said is dead on. If it wasnt people would have stopped talking about #11 a long time ago. Plus if it wasnt for his greatness potential i think he would be out of the league already, him being a journeyman this long without any substianal real starting experience says something of itself.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by mlmpetert

Everything you said is dead on. If it wasnt people would have stopped talking about #11 a long time ago. Plus if it wasnt for his greatness potential i think he would be out of the league already, him being a journeyman this long without any substianal real starting experience says something of itself.

Yeah, it says he's a backup.

[scowan]

Originally Posted by Kalisto2010

Patrick Ramsey was never given a chance to succeed. I don't care who the QB was, no one was going to succeed under Spurrier's system. In comes Gibbs, and benches the guy after the 3rd offensive series because he threw an interception. So I don't understand how everyone is saying "he didn't have it". He was never even given a fair chance, plus he never had any receivers to throw to. Even when he went to other teams, he was never able to compete for the starting job. I actually feel really sorry for the guy, I thought he had the talent to be a real productive QB in this league.

The only problem with this kind of argument is that there are only 32 starting QB jobs in the league. I loved the guy, but if Ramsey could not get past the guy in front of him on any of the 5 teams he has been on, then maybe he was never one of the 32 best QBs in the league, or at least better than the guy in front of him. There are lots of so called great QBs who are not starters for whatever reason, but the bottom line is they are not starters because they aren't better than the guy in front of them, in practice, preseason, mini camps or whatever.

If Ramsey can't get by Brunell, or Cutler or Vince Young or whomever, he is not better than that guy. Its as simple as that.

[Kalisto2010]

Originally Posted by scowan

The only problem with this kind of argument is that there are only 32 starting QB jobs in the league. I loved the guy, but if Ramsey could not get past the guy in front of him on any of the 5 teams he has been on, then maybe he was never one of the 32 best QBs in the league, or at least better than the guy in front of him. There are lots of so called great QBs who are not starters for whatever reason, but the bottom line is they are not starters because they aren't better than the guy in front of them, in practice, preseason, mini camps or whatever.

If Ramsey can't get by Brunell, or Cutler or Vince Young or whomever, he is not better than that guy. Its as simple as that.

The best guy doesn't always get to play. Example, Warren Moon. You mean to tell me that their were 28 better QB's than him while he was in Canada?

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by Kalisto2010

Patrick Ramsey was never given a chance to succeed. I don't care who the QB was, no one was going to succeed under Spurrier's system. In comes Gibbs, and benches the guy after the 3rd offensive series because he threw an interception. So I don't understand how everyone is saying "he didn't have it". He was never even given a fair chance, plus he never had any receivers to throw to. Even when he went to other teams, he was never able to compete for the starting job. I actually feel really sorry for the guy, I thought he had the talent to be a real productive QB in this league.

he went to the jets and couldn't beat out noodle armed pennington. end of discussion.

[Kalisto2010]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

he went to the jets and couldn't beat out noodle armed pennington. end of discussion.

Dude, the Jets signed Pennington to a 7 year 64 million dollar contract(highest paid player in jets history at the time) before Ramsey even got there. You think they were just going to give up on Chad like that, after signing him to that insane amount of money? Please... End of discussion.

[12thMan]

Originally Posted by Kalisto2010

Dude, the Jets signed Pennington to a 7 year 64 million dollar contract(highest paid player in jets history at the time) before Ramsey even got there. You think they were just going to give up on Chad like that, after signing him to that insane amount of money? Please... End of discussion.

So by your logic Todd Collins wasn't given a fair shot either? He played behind Trent Green and then Jason Campbell?

[Kalisto2010]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

So by your logic Todd Collins wasn't given a fair shot either? He played behind Trent Green and then Jason Campbell?

No he wasn't, his record as a starter speaks for itself. He's the one that lead us to 6 straight victories including a playoff win. Something your boy Campbell failed to do, year after year, after year.