6 WEEKS AGO: Trade Ramsey, Bench/trade Gardner

[Hogskin]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

The regular season isn't the time for experimenting at QB.

Before you know it we'll have a Spurrier-like rotation at QB, and we all know how well that went.

Brunell is the starter, Ramsey is the backup.

That is a very reasonable opinion. And I did not say to move Hasselbeck to #1. I said he should get a shot at the backup. I know what you are saying, but making a judicious decision for a backup change (at ANY position) is not the same as SS's poorly conceived, sporadic revolving door at QB. It is the type of "adjustment" Gibbs has made many times in the past. I agree with the poster who said he does not like to "experiment", but on the other hand, he has always been willing to make adjustments when he felt they were needed. Now, maybe he will not see this as a need, but my expectation is that he will.

[joethiesmanfan]

TH first appearance was against Dallas. Ramsey kept getting sacked and then TH comes in and we start moving the ball. Then Ramsey comes back and hits Jacobs for a TD. All TH did was throw the ball to our receivers they were sending 8 people on the blitz. Just throw the damn ball!!!! He learned that from TH in that game. He still hold s the ball too long. Those picks were just stupid as hell..

[wbecker999]

Does anyone see Priest Holmes slow down when trying to score on the goal line?
Portis did every time, He's doing too much dancing behind the line

[joethiesmanfan]

From what I remember Gibbs has no problem.. rotating QB's doug williams didnt start as the starter for the Redskins when we won that Super bowl that year. He bacame the starter right before the playoffs.

[Redskins_P]

Originally Posted by joethiesmanfan

From what I remember Gibbs has no problem.. rotating QB's doug williams didnt start as the starter for the Redskins when we won that Super bowl that year. He bacame the starter right before the playoffs.

I think Matty was referring to Spurrier the way he rotated QB's every other play in college. I could be wrong though.

[jamf]

TH stats: http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/player...e?statsId=5534
only win was against the giants. no way in hell is going to ever be a fullseason starter anywhere. but who cares, his wife is hot.

patrick ramsey killed us sunday. all of our top players killed us yesterday.
gardner AND coles had 3 drops yesterday. even cooley had a drop.
brunell blew it. portis sucked.

I don't think brunell should be the redskins starter. it seems to me that he is only trying to make the safe throws(ala brad johnson). then when he gets pressure from waiting in the pocket too long, he forces it and makes a bad throw.

once ramsey came in the game, it seemed like the field got longer. all our pass routes were beyond 10 yards.

i can remember a few months ago(pre brunell), when all skins fans were happy to see ramsey in Jgibbs system. that shouldnt change now.

If gardner had caugth the football in the endzone, ramsey would've been the hero and we never would've seen the last two interceptions. that should've been an easy catch for anyone.
coles and gardner let our Qb's down sunday. coles turned the wrong way on ramseys first INT.

another excuse for ramsey: he was pressing too hard to win the starting job back. simple.

ramsey gives the skins more opportunities downfield. brunell is too conservative, it seems as if he only cares about his completions to interceptions ratio.

also, the skins need a new center. friedman is terrible. brunell cant even take a snap either.

another observation: when the game gots out of hand, chris samuels blows up inside. we saw this ALOT last year. he gets pissed and ends up missing his assignment and getting the QB killed. he did it sunday. he dominated his guyh yesterday then on 3rd and long with time running out, he just stands around while ramsey gets killed. he is rediculous. he is a pouting little boy.

[Hogskin]

Originally Posted by jamf

TH stats: http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/player...e?statsId=5534
only win was against the giants. no way in hell is going to ever be a fullseason starter anywhere.

I would never say that about any young backup QB. I'm sure plenty of Atlanta fans thought that about Bret Favre before they let him get away. The simple fact is, we don't KNOW what TH's potential is yet.

Oh yeah, and some Philly fans probably thought Jurgy would never amount to anything...

[Gmanc711]

Originally Posted by Hogskin

I would never say that about any young backup QB. I'm sure plenty of Atlanta fans thought that about Bret Favre before they let him get away. The simple fact is, we don't KNOW what TH's potential is yet.

Oh yeah, and some Philly fans probably thought Jurgy would never amount to anything...

Seems like a awful lot of people in here think Ramseys not going to amount to anything. Everyones being so hipocritical, I mean this to to the upmost respect to everyone too, including hogskin. But I mean how can you all stick up for Hasslebeck and say he has potential, he has potential, and then be like, well Ramsey is just damaged goods already. Hasslebeck has so much more potential, get him in there. The simple fact is, we dont know what Ramseys potential is either. Just like they didnt knwo what Favre's was and what Jurguys was. Screw it, lets trade Ramsey, I hope he turns into a all pro qb somewhere else.

[Hogskin]

Originally Posted by Gmanc711

Seems like a awful lot of people in here think Ramseys not going to amount to anything. Everyones being so hipocritical, I mean this to to the upmost respect to everyone too, including hogskin. But I mean how can you all stick up for Hasslebeck and say he has potential, he has potential, and then be like, well Ramsey is just damaged goods already. Hasslebeck has so much more potential, get him in there. The simple fact is, we dont know what Ramseys potential is either. Just like they didnt knwo what Favre's was and what Jurguys was. Screw it, lets trade Ramsey, I hope he turns into a all pro qb somewhere else.

So now I'm a "hipocrit"??? Hmmm - I thought Ramsey DID get his chance - almost 2 full seasons. No improvement in obvious flaws.

[Gmanc711]

Originally Posted by Hogskin

So now I'm a "hipocrit"??? Hmmm - I thought Ramsey DID get his chance - almost 2 full seasons. No improvement in obvious flaws.

Almost two full seasons??? 6 starts in 2002 and 11 last season. With Spurrier at the helm. If you throw Joe Montana himself in our offense last season, we are still 5-11, maybe 6-10.

Jim Kelly's first season as a starter 4-12
Joe Montana's first season as a starter 2-14!!!
Peyton Mannings 3-13

Now, is Patrick Ramsey any of these guys? No. Will be be as good as any of these guys, proboly not. Does he make stupid decisions somtimes yes. Does he make good decisions too, yes. I'm just saying, cause we had one crappy season and one crappy game, lets not throw this kid out the door.

[Gmanc711]

We lose one game and now its the end of the world. At this rate people are gonan wanna fire Gibbs at the end of next week

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Gmanc711

We lose one game and now its the end of the world. At this rate people are gonan wanna fire Gibbs at the end of next week

Seriously!

A win and everything is ok. A loss and the sky is falling, guys need to be cut, traded, benched, etc. Gimme a break.

[Hogskin]

Originally Posted by Gmanc711

We lose one game and now its the end of the world. At this rate people are gonan wanna fire Gibbs at the end of next week

I am just suggesting changing 2 starters out of 22 - not armageddon. So does this mean if Gibbs DOES make these changes in the next 2-3 weeks, then YOU want him outta here? I support Gibbs no matter what happens this season. I am just projecting some changes that I think are obvious, and I think he will feel that way also. He takes his time with changes, but I really think they will happen. I'll say it one more time, the LOSS had nothing to do with this - I said all of this 6 WEEKS AGO!! Gardner always has and always will drop passes in KEY situations. (CHOKE!!) Gibbs will only tolerate it so long. And I doubt HE will be predicting the end of the world when he makes a couple changes to the starters. I wonder if you would feel so bad about the change if he benches BOWEN???? Why are you guys so hung up on Gardner and Ramsey, that you excuse their continuing, consistent, unimproving, poor play?

[Gmanc711]

All I'm saying is these guys had a chance to develop, and I dont think Ramsey is being granted the same thing by us. Bottom line. I didnt call you a hypocrite (looked up the spelling on that one), I'm just saying that its werid that anyone can say that we dont know what potential Hasslebeck has, when Ramsey is in the same boat. Ramsey is clearly a better quarterback than Tim, and I just dont understand why people will stick up for him, just on the sole fact of throwing Ramsey to the wolves. No one can come here and say that Tim Hasslebeck should be starting for this team over Patrick Ramsey, and actually mean it. However, there have been quite a handful that have said that he should be the one to get the shot. Ramsey played 1 and 3/4 quarters yesterday, and people want to trade him based on that. Forget the fact he had the ball moving, forget the fact that two of those int's werent fully his fault ( the thrid one is inexcusable). We just want to get on his ass, for the sole pourpose of doing that. Again, I'm not trying to personally attack you or anything, you're one of my fav. posters and we ussually agree, but I wholeheartly 100% respectfully disagree with some of the posts people have made.

[Hogskin]

Originally Posted by Gmanc711

All I'm saying is these guys had a chance to develop, and I dont think Ramsey is being granted the same thing by us. Bottom line. I didnt call you a hypocrite (looked up the spelling on that one), I'm just saying that its werid that anyone can say that we dont know what potential Hasslebeck has, when Ramsey is in the same boat. Ramsey is clearly a better quarterback than Tim, and I just dont understand why people will stick up for him, just on the sole fact of throwing Ramsey to the wolves. No one can come here and say that Tim Hasslebeck should be starting for this team over Patrick Ramsey, and actually mean it. However, there have been quite a handful that have said that he should be the one to get the shot. Ramsey played 1 and 3/4 quarters yesterday, and people want to trade him based on that. Forget the fact he had the ball moving, forget the fact that two of those int's werent fully his fault ( the thrid one is inexcusable). We just want to get on his ass, for the sole pourpose of doing that. Again, I'm not trying to personally attack you or anything, you're one of my fav. posters and we ussually agree, but I wholeheartly 100% respectfully disagree with some of the posts people have made.

Very good post, Gman - I appreciate your diplomacy. The only thing I would point out again is that I am not basing my posts on yesterday's game. These are the exact same things I was saying here (many times) during the offseason and preseason. All yesterday did was give yet one more confirmation of what I have been saying about BOTH players. They have been very consistent for a very long time. Two calendar years IS long enough to at least see SOME improvement in major fundamental flaws.