Name your all time starting QB, RB, TE, and 2 WRS and why...

[davy]

QB - Montana (partly because of chemistry with you know who)
RB - Payton (sticking to guys I saw play)
WR - Rice (obvious)
WR - Monk (the whole package)
TE - Gonzalez (almost went for Newsome but seen more of Gonzo)


Just to be contrarian, guys I definitely wouldn't want...

QB- Elway
RB - Sanders
WR - Moss
WR - Owens
TE - Bavaro

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by davy

Just to be contrarian, guys I definitely wouldn't want...

QB- Elway
RB - Sanders
WR - Moss
WR - Owens
TE - Bavaro

LOL................and I wouldn't want Beckham(sp) on my team.

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by davy

Just to be contrarian, guys I definitely wouldn't want...

QB- Elway
RB - Sanders
WR - Moss
WR - Owens
TE - Bavaro

I actually agree with Elway, hes overrated in my opinion. I also agree with Owens due purely to his off the field issues, and Bavaro..well, just cause he's a giant! But Sanders??? Moss???? (unless you're talking about Santana, cause Randy is a freak of nature)

[davy]

Originally Posted by jsarno

I actually agree with Elway, hes overrated in my opinion. I also agree with Owens due purely to his off the field issues, and Bavaro..well, just cause he's a giant! But Sanders??? Moss???? (unless you're talking about Santana, cause Randy is a freak of nature)

You got my reasons for not wanting Elway, Owens and Bavaro spot on.

Randy Moss is excluded because, although he has immense talent I want a guy who plays hard every down.

Barry Sanders was much the same, incredible talent but only made full use of it for one season.

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by davy

You got my reasons for not wanting Elway, Owens and Bavaro spot on.

Gotcha

Randy Moss is excluded because, although he has immense talent I want a guy who plays hard every down.

Totally understand, I chose the guys I did because they are stand up class acts...Moss doesn't fit that bill.

Barry Sanders was much the same, incredible talent but only made full use of it for one season.

This is where I am not understanding at all. How did he only make full use of his talent for 1 season?
This is a guy that led the league in rushing 4 times! His career low in rushing was 1115 and that was in only 11 games! His 2nd career low was 1304, and he led the league with that! He led the league in TDs 2 years! Had 10 or more TDs in a season 7 times! He played 10 years and had 109 tds! Thats an average of almost 11 a season. He's had over 1500 yards rushing 5 times! Over 1800 2 times! Of course over 2000 1 time! Not to mention the fact that he was amazingly classy! So I am totally failing to see your point here.
Barry Sanders Statistics - Pro-Football-Reference.com

[davy]

Originally Posted by jsarno

Gotcha



Totally understand, I chose the guys I did because they are stand up class acts...Moss doesn't fit that bill.



This is where I am not understanding at all. How did he only make full use of his talent for 1 season?
This is a guy that led the league in rushing 4 times! His career low in rushing was 1115 and that was in only 11 games! His 2nd career low was 1304, and he led the league with that! He led the league in TDs 2 years! Had 10 or more TDs in a season 7 times! He played 10 years and had 109 tds! Thats an average of almost 11 a season. He's had over 1500 yards rushing 5 times! Over 1800 2 times! Of course over 2000 1 time! Not to mention the fact that he was amazingly classy! So I am totally failing to see your point here.
Barry Sanders Statistics - Pro-Football-Reference.com

In the cold light of day, looking at those stats, I admit it's very hard for me to justify my dislike of Sanders.

My only defence would be that I always got the impression watching him that he could have put up even more impressive numbers. Too much dancing in the backfield and a little lack of aggression.

The exception for me was 1997 when he really attacked the LOS more than previously. If I remember correctly, that was Bobby Ross's first year as head coach. The two are probably connected.

[diehard]

1st team
Sammy Baugh
John Riggins
Frank Wycheck
Art Monk
Micheal Westbrook

2nd team
Joe Thiesman
Stephen Davis
Chris Cooley
Gary Clark

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by diehard

1st team
Sammy Baugh
John Riggins
Frank Wycheck
Art Monk
Micheal Westbrook

2nd team
Joe Thiesman
Stephen Davis
Chris Cooley
Gary Clark

How dare you put Westbroke in the same grouping with those others. You should be banned and forced to watch 30 hours of ESPN fawning over Tony Romo as a pentaly! :-)

[Larry Michael is Satan]

Farve.
Sweetness.
Gary Clark.
Larry Fitzgerald.
Chaos, Captain.

That would be a fun team to watch!

[budw38]

QB : Marino , RB Payton , violent runner , great receiver , blocked and could throw , Rice , Monk , Bavaro . Could have gone ,,,QB Elway , Montana ,RB's E. Cambell - Sanders , wr's Swann < J Jefferson , Chargers > TE Ditka - Sharpe

[dmek25]

to me, Lynn Swann is the single most over rated wide receiver of all time. made the hall on what he did in one super bowl game. without looking, i would be willing to bet Gary Clark's career stats are better

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by dmek25

to me, Lynn Swann is the single most over rated wide receiver of all time. made the hall on what he did in one super bowl game. without looking, i would be willing to bet Gary Clark's career stats are better

Right you are. Gary Clark's stats are not only better, they are WAY better than Lynn Swann's. Clark has more than twice the receptions (699 - 336), and finished with 14 more touchdowns. Lynn Swann never had more than 61 catches in a season, and never more than 880 yards. Plus he retired at age 30. How the heck did he make the Hall of Fame??

[53Fan]

Originally Posted by GMScud

Right you are. Gary Clark's stats are not only better, they are WAY better than Lynn Swann's. Clark has more than twice the receptions (699 - 336), and finished with 14 more touchdowns. Lynn Swann never had more than 61 catches in a season, and never more than 880 yards. Plus he retired at age 30. How the heck did he make the Hall of Fame??

Yet it took Art Monk forever to get in and Gary Clark may never get in. Is it any wonder some fans think there is a bias against the Redskins?

[budw38]

Originally Posted by GMScud

Right you are. Gary Clark's stats are not only better, they are WAY better than Lynn Swann's. Clark has more than twice the receptions (699 - 336), and finished with 14 more touchdowns. Lynn Swann never had more than 61 catches in a season, and never more than 880 yards. Plus he retired at age 30. How the heck did he make the Hall of Fame??

Clark was a hell of a WR . WR's in the 70's averaged 40 - 55 reception per yr. IF C. Taylor , I. Curtis or Swann played in todays NFL , they would have had much better #'s . If W. Welker were a #2 WR playing in the 70's , he would not average near 100 reception per year , nor would you see QB' s throwing for 30 plus td's per year , as I believe Sunny J. lead the league in td's passes with 19 < 74 > . Swann made the Hall because he dominated in the playoff's and Super Bowls .

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by budw38

Clark was a hell of a WR . WR's in the 70's averaged 40 - 55 reception per yr. IF C. Taylor , I. Curtis or Swann played in todays NFL , they would have had much better #'s . If W. Welker were a #2 WR playing in the 70's , he would not average near 100 reception per year , nor would you see QB' s throwing for 30 plus td's per year , as I believe Sunny J. lead the league in td's passes with 19 < 74 > . Swann made the Hall because he dominated in the playoff's and Super Bowls .

Swann played in the 70's sure, but Clark played mainly in the 80's. A bit different than the 70's, but we're not comparing Welker to Swann, we're comparing Clark. Gary Clark basically lapped Swann's numbers and their playing years weren't too far apart.