What must Jim Zorn accomplish this season to keep his job?

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

So you don't think Norv is a good NFL offensive coach? Sorry but I'm going to give Norv credit when credit is due. He may not have been the right coach when he was here cause that was a MAJOR rebuilding job. And no one does good at Oak. But he's been solid at SD. Rivers has turned into a top tier NFL QB and he's taken that offense to another level. He's gotten them to the playoffs two straight years and won playoff games. That's something Marty could not do. The guy got a good year out of Alex Smith for crying out loud. Norv can coach, but as I said he's not the coach for a young team. I bet if you stuck Norv in at NE they wouldn't miss a beat....as long as you had the vets, strong GM and defensive coordinator.

Sorry, Marty built the team Norv is using, and last year the barely made the playoffs, DESPITE playing in an extremely weak division. Norv, is a good OC, but a terrible HC. Same with Wade Phillips, except he is a very good DC. From the comments this has been discussed many times.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

Sorry, Marty built the team Norv is using, and last year the barely made the playoffs, DESPITE playing in an extremely weak division. Norv, is a good OC, but a terrible HC. Same with Wade Phillips, except he is a very good DC. From the comments this has been discussed many times.

Marty couldn't win a playoff game with most of those players and the offense wasn't as good. And either you make the playoffs or you don't. It doesn't matter how you got in. The fact is they got in and won a game w/out one of their best players and the year before they got to the AFC Champoinship. Those are facts. I personally think Marty is a better head coach than Norv but that doesn't mean Norv can't coach.

[skinsfan69]

Fair enough. I think Norv can be a good head coach with all the pieces are around him. Is he a leader of men/motivator/disiplinarian/ass kicker? No.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Fair enough. I think Norv can be a good head coach with all the pieces are around him.

Guess that means Barry Switzer was a good coach using that criteria.

A lot of guys can be good coaches when all the pieces are in place. That's really not saying much for the coach's abilities.

With all that talent the Chargers are just 19-13 the last 2 years under Norv.

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Guess that means Barry Switzer was a good coach using that criteria.

A lot of guys can be good coaches when all the pieces are in place. That's really not saying much for the coach's abilities.

With all that talent the Chargers are just 19-13 the last 2 years under Norv.

Norv has not been very good in San Diego imo but he is a better coach then most Redskin fans give credit for.

Looking back id love to see what Norv would of done if he wasnt canned in 2000 with a 7-6 record here in Washington. I think if things went different in 2000 and Snyder didnt stick his nose into the QB position we could have had a different outlook for the future. The Skins were 11-7 and 7-6 in Turners last 2 seasons in DC. I honestly think the Skins would of had a shot for a Championship over the next couple years if things panned out different.

I think Norv would be looked on as a better coach if it wasnt for one injury that cost the Redskins. That was when Brad Johnson hurt his knee on MNF vs the Tennessee Titans in 2000. He missed 3 games and when he came back he was rusty. After the Giants game where he was benched for George all hell broke lose. Snyder canned Turner because he wanted to start Brad Johnson the next game and I really believe if Turner wouldnt of been canned we might of won a Super Bowl instead of the Tampa Bay Bucs in 2002-03.

Those Redskin teams in 1999 and 2000 werent great but Norv got the most out of those teams and did one hell of a coaching job imo.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by Brian Orakpo

Norv has not been very good in San Diego imo but he is a better coach then most Redskin fans give credit for.

Looking back id love to see what Norv would of done if he wasnt canned in 2000 with a 7-6 record here in Washington. I think if things went different in 2000 and Snyder didnt stick his nose into the QB position we could have had a different outlook for the future. The Skins were 11-7 and 7-6 in Turners last 2 seasons in DC. I honestly think the Skins would of had a shot for a Championship over the next couple years if things panned out different.

I think Norv would be looked on as a better coach if it wasnt for one injury that cost the Redskins. That was when Brad Johnson hurt his knee on MNF vs the Tennessee Titans in 2000. He missed 3 games and when he came back he was rusty. After the Giants game where he was benched for George all hell broke lose. Snyder canned Turner because he wanted to start Brad Johnson the next game and I really believe if Turner wouldnt of been canned we might of won a Super Bowl instead of the Tampa Bay Bucs in 2002-03.

Those Redskin teams in 1999 and 2000 werent great but Norv got the most out of those teams and did one hell of a coaching job imo.

Although firing Turner w/ a 7-6 record was stupid as hell, I don't think the season would've finished much different and it was time for a change.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Guess that means Barry Switzer was a good coach using that criteria.

A lot of guys can be good coaches when all the pieces are in place. That's really not saying much for the coach's abilities.

With all that talent the Chargers are just 19-13 the last 2 years under Norv.

What would you rather have.

A 13-3 season and not advance in the playoffs....like the 07 Cowboys? Or the 06 Chargers?

Or a 19-13 team that have advanced two years in a row. One year they're QB was playing on one leg and their best player was hurt, the next year they played w/out their best defensive player.

I'll take the team that advances every time. As I said, Norv has been solid in SD and his side of the ball has flourished.

[Tony420]

I beleive if Zorn can guide this team to the 2nd round of the playoffs or possibly deeper, he would be able to hold off the big boys from comin in. I also deeply belive that Bringing Holmgren in to be GM is an absolute must. Something like that will keep us steady for years to come. That's what we've been missing sine Danny Boy got the team. Oh yeah, that and Super Bowl titles.

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by Tony420

I beleive if Zorn can guide this team to the 2nd round of the playoffs or possibly deeper, he would be able to hold off the big boys from comin in. I also deeply belive that Bringing Holmgren in to be GM is an absolute must. Something like that will keep us steady for years to come. That's what we've been missing sine Danny Boy got the team. Oh yeah, that and Super Bowl titles.

This would be an interesting combination. As long as Holmgren can get the players needed for the system and only interject once and a while or when asked then we would have an aswome team.

Although I have been against Vinny for yrs I think this yr has been his best but time will tell.

[CRedskinsRule]

Duhhh, I just realized the answer

NOT GET FIRED.

[NYCskinfan82]

The team must look better offensively.

[Paintrain]

As for the Norv question, he's proven repeatedly since leaving DC what type of coach he is. Great coordinator, poor head coach. If anything, it should show you what his reputation is when Jerry Jones didn't hire him, even after courting him publicly, before he hired Phillips, not that the Phillips hire has turned out much better.

Back on topic, I think it all depends on how they finish. Another 6-2 start, 2-6 finish (or worse) and he's gone. Going 9-7 and missing the playoffs will keep him around. Anything above that and obviously he's going to stick around.

I'd expect, if a change is made, that Shanahan would be the frontrunner, followed by Gruden then Cowher. Snyder wants a high powered, high scoring, fun to watch offense. That's his motivation behind the Zorn hire, the Cutler & Sanchez chase and the fact we've drafted so many QB in his tenure as the owner.

[an23dy]

I think Zorn will get two more years. I don't really think he'll get fired next year unless he's 5-11 or worse. I think Jason Campbell can be the scapegoat if the offense doesn't improve. I don't believe that's the case, I think Campbell is real good and just hasn't had the pieces around him and the time to learn an offense in order to show what he can do. I hope we don't have to worry about any of this and I don't think we will because I think we will have a good season next year.

[DBUCHANON101]

We are used to the high scoring offenses in D.C and if Zorn doesnt show that he can score points he wont last. I'd like to see us bring in a OC from S.D or N.O to run the offense. Especially one from S.D who is a 'Air Coryell' descendant ala Gibbs. maybe Dan Henning from Miami. I say N.O because they do more with less and lead the league in offense despite not having many big name WR's or a great Oline.

[Nflnick11]

In order for zorn to keep his job he must get us a playoff birth and at least one playoff win, most likely two wins if he gets fired expect holmgren to be our next coach just to keep it with a familiar system