SI Ranks Offensive Backfields

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

Well the offense not moving the ball and having a lot of 3 and outs caused our defense to get tired in most of those. I think the defense played admirably for most of those games though. They kept us in the game by keeping the score low all the way up till usually the late 3rd or 4th quarter. I think if the offense can muster atleast 21-30 points a game then the defense will look better. but I would love to be the supprise team in getting the 40 points a game this yr. and I believe it is possible with the talent we have this yr. A few more WR's to help out JC (Kelly, Thomas). Maybe a change of pace back in Alridge who is fast as.....you know what. Maybe just using him with Portis will be a threat to other teams in a 2 back system. Portis either runs it up the middle or Alridge takes it to the outside. Defenses would have to be on their toes.

Speed packages with Moss, Thomas, and Alridge out as a WR as he was used in college will create problems.

In the Pittsburgh game, we went three and out a lot. But all the points they scored were scored right at the beginning of the second half, before conventional fatigue could set in. They were actually much better when you would think they would have been fatigued.

Outside of the Baltimore game, our defense played significantly worse in the first half than in the second half last year. So I'm just not buying the fatigue argument. A fatigued team doesn't get stronger as the game goes on, which we did.

I agree that our offense should be better next year.

[redskins1974]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Dude, don't start. Our defense won some games for us as well (Philly, Week 16). But also struggled mightily when we finished 2-6. And then there was St. Louis, Pittsburgh, etc.

and what about our 8 losses where we averaged 11 point per game - almost every game other then the SF game should be blamed on the offense. Our offense was about 20th in the league (yards) and about 27th (points), and our D was 4th. its obvious where our problem is. I agree with SI's rank.

Your going to blame our D in the Steelers game. We scored 6 points!

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by redskins1974

and what about our 8 losses where we averaged 11 point per game - almost every game other then the SF game should be blamed on the offense. Our offense was about 20th in the league (yards) and about 27th (points), and our D was 4th. its obvious where our problem is. I agree with SI's rank.

Your going to blame our D in the Steelers game. We scored 6 points!

1) I said don't start. You're entitled to your opinion. You'll be happier keeping it to yourself.

2) Not the NYG game? Not the Cincinnati game? I dunno man, an average performance in those three (SF included) games, and we could have easily been 5-3 in the second half of the year. And that's still including the full on offensive collapse from units that weren't the offensive backfield. Even if you give back the second Philly game as one that you would have thought we lost by the way our offense performed, that's 10-6, plus a playoff berth.

True, there were games we got blown out in where our defense, and offense both played poorly. You could say that Pittsburgh blew us out. That Baltimore blew us out. That the Giants blew us out on opening night. You could even argue that Dallas blew us out coming out of our bye (even though that was a 4 point spread, we got so badly outplayed in that second half). But it was those other 4 losses where the defense, not the offense let us down. And that number trumps the amount of games our "No. 4" defense won for us.

[wilsowilso]

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[SBXVII]

The Thought: Campbell isn't as good as either of those two. And Portis is going into his eighth season. That's too much heavy lifting for high-volume legs.

I think this is the funniest part. LOL. Campbell's not as good as either.....but he was the league leading QB last yr for the first 8 games. and if I'm not mistaken he was above them percentage wise. Hmmmm. So let me see.....Campbell who with protection, plays better then them, or two other QB's who produced similar results by the end of the season statistically? Those other two are not upgrades they would simply be lateral moves for us.

I guess anyone can write whatever they want even if it's BS and as long as it's different from what others are saying or puts Dallas or the Eagles at the top then it's golden.

[Daseal]

Gtripp, what's Orton's win percentage? Answer: Far higher than Campbells.

Josh McDaniels seems to think Orton is better than Campbell too. Neither Orton nor Campbell can hold a candle to Cutler though.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Daseal

Gtripp, what's Orton's win percentage? Answer: Far higher than Campbells.

Josh McDaniels seems to think Orton is better than Campbell too. Neither Orton nor Campbell can hold a candle to Cutler though.

In college, Campbell's win percentage was way higher than Orton's. What's your point? There are clearly other factors at play here, because Campbell, historically, is' the "winner" of the two.

Cutler and Campbell are pretty comparable back here in reality. Orton and Campbell are not. If you actually value win percentage, you should be arguing that Orton is way better than Cutler. I know that's not what your eyes tell you, but dude, he wins.

Also, McDaniels has more to prove than Campbell does, so I'm not sure I'd cite his opinion here yet before he has a chance to prove that he's not crazy.

None of this changes the fact that if you said what you just said to a fanbase that is hard wired into all Kyle Orton dealings, you'd be laughed out of the room as unknowledable. Not unlike McDaniels, who thinks he can win with Orton, AND no defense.

[CRedskinsRule]

and I think 24 and 26 represent the respective position on SI's strange list, not SBXVII's ranking of the QBs

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

and I think 24 and 26 represent the respective position on SI's strange list, not SBXVII's ranking of the QBs

Oh, okay. Got it. I was confused because it was in his line.

[Pocket$ $traight]

When you average 16 points a game, you deserve to be ranked in the bottom of the league. Portis doesn't have to prove anything to me. Let Campbell prove them wrong.

Originally Posted by Pocket$ $traight

When you average 16 points a game, you deserve to be ranked in the bottom of the league. Portis doesn't have to prove anything to me. Let Campbell prove them wrong.

Agreed.

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by Pocket$ $traight

When you average 16 points a game, you deserve to be ranked in the bottom of the league. Portis doesn't have to prove anything to me. Let Campbell prove them wrong.

I honestly believe this problem will be solved. Maybe I should say it better get solved. Having Thomas practicing like a monster cause he feels he has something to prove is a plus. Having Davis working hard also to be more of a factor is a plus also. hoping Kelly stays healthy and supprises everyone maybe just that ....hoping. but if he can then we have one of the better teams WR wise. Moss and Thomas (speedsters), ARE and Kelly (possession WR's), then the two TE sets. I liked Yodder but he is not lighting in a bottle like Davis is. To have Cooley and Davis on the field together will cause problems for other teams. or so I believe.

I want to blame Zorn for some of it but I can't. He had his plate full the first yr with having to teach everyone his offense. Then try to get it implimented. Now he can add more plays and wrinkles to it. Honestly 8-8 was not bad for a team having a new HC, new offense, and a huge learning curve for coach's as well as players. Now if Zorn can't seem to get beyond 8-8 with a team knowing the offense better and having more weapons then he does need to go.

[GTripp0012]

Man, our PPG total gets worse and worse everytime someone cites it. Next week, our offense will have scored 9 PPG last season.

[dirtythirty]

Shaun Hill and Frank Gore are six spots ahead of JC or CP. I dont agree with those ranking at all. Were both of our backs not being considered MVP's during the first half of the season? I def. think we are in the top 20...

[GTripp0012]

My question to you: is there any of our first seven wins that we still get had our offense been terrible in those games. Not terrible, as PPG would argue. Terrible as you are trying to say they are. Do we beat NO with a terrible offense? Arizona? Dallas, Philly? Detroit or Seattle?

I think our defense won the Cleveland game, and I think they won the second Eagles game. But that leaves 6 wins that I don't think happen without BOTH Campbell and Portis.