Skins sell ticket straight to scalpers

[CRedskinsRule]

In our view, the fact that most of the suite and club seat holders didn't default is irrelevant to whether the Redskins ultimately chose to file lawsuits against those who did. The reality is that the Redskins have an apparent business practice of filing suit to enforce the contracts, when legal action is deemed necessary. The fact that the Redskins don't have to do it very often in relation to the entire ticket base is irrelevant.

Does anyone think that this is an odd statement? Doesn't every business at least reserve the right to file a lawsuit to enforce legal contracts, especially when legal action is deemed necessary. If they deem legal action necessary, would not filing a lawsuit be a reasonable step towards starting that legal action.

Are we to think that only the Redskins would be so crass as to file a lawsuit against someone who is broaching their legal obligation?

And PFT says it is a non-issue that only 20-30 of these lawsuits are filed in a given year, but doesn't that mean that maybe 1 in 10,000 corporate entities face this threat.

Sorry this is a ridiculous story.

[stu_nna]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

Does anyone think that this is an odd statement? Doesn't every business at least reserve the right to file a lawsuit to enforce legal contracts, especially when legal action is deemed necessary. If they deem legal action necessary, would not filing a lawsuit be a reasonable step towards starting that legal action.

Are we to think that only the Redskins would be so crass as to file a lawsuit against someone who is broaching their legal obligation?

And PFT says it is a non-issue that only 20-30 of these lawsuits are filed in a given year, but doesn't that mean that maybe 1 in 10,000 corporate entities face this threat.

Sorry this is a ridiculous story.

I'm with you. It seems the Post is really reaching for a story hear. I'm not even sure what i should be so called upset over. They made the appropriate actions to fix the problem. Plus i hear this happened months ago so why are we just hearing about it now? We need to support this team not try to find ways to tear it down. HTTR!

[Pocket$ $traight]

Originally Posted by stu_nna

I'm with you. It seems the Post is really reaching for a story hear. I'm not even sure what i should be so called upset over. They made the appropriate actions to fix the problem. Plus i hear this happened months ago so why are we just hearing about it now? We need to support this team not try to find ways to tear it down. HTTR!

Do not confuse supporting the team with supporting the greedy business practices that the owner lives by.

He picked a fight with the Washington Post. Well, just like Richard Nixon, he is getting everything he deserves.

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

Does anyone think that this is an odd statement? Doesn't every business at least reserve the right to file a lawsuit to enforce legal contracts, especially when legal action is deemed necessary. If they deem legal action necessary, would not filing a lawsuit be a reasonable step towards starting that legal action.

Are we to think that only the Redskins would be so crass as to file a lawsuit against someone who is broaching their legal obligation?

And PFT says it is a non-issue that only 20-30 of these lawsuits are filed in a given year, but doesn't that mean that maybe 1 in 10,000 corporate entities face this threat.

Sorry this is a ridiculous story.

Funny, one would think the Skins would have to show damages cause the individuals failed to live up to the contract yet they have 150,000 other people on a waiting list. I guess DS is not the business savy person everyone thinks he is. I mean if you default on just about any other contract similar..like a car loan or house loan the bank takes it back and gives it to someone else. They for the most part don't waist money paying their attorney's to try to get blood from a turnip.

[53Fan]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

Funny, one would think the Skins would have to show damages cause the individuals failed to live up to the contract yet they have 150,000 other people on a waiting list. I guess DS is not the business savy person everyone thinks he is. I mean if you default on just about any other contract similar..like a car loan or house loan the bank takes it back and gives it to someone else. They for the most part don't waist money paying their attorney's to try to get blood from a turnip.

Funny you bring that up SBXVII. According to some dude who works for the Washington Post, he says some of the tickets WERE resold and the original ticket holder was sued for the full amount anyway. He also said that you can be sued for the full 10 years no matter what year you're in when you default. I don't remember the guys name or how true this is but that's what he said on WPL today.

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by 53Fan

Funny you bring that up SBXVII. According to some dude who works for the Washington Post, he says some of the tickets WERE resold and the original ticket holder was sued for the full amount anyway. He also said that you can be sued for the full 10 years no matter what year you're in when you default. I don't remember the guys name or how true this is but that's what he said on WPL today.

I don't doubt you. A lot of people were talking about how contract law is different in DC.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

I don't doubt you. A lot of people were talking about how contract law is different in DC.

Well, I imagine the contract law is actually signed and incorporates Virginia law, not DC.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

Funny, one would think the Skins would have to show damages cause the individuals failed to live up to the contract yet they have 150,000 other people on a waiting list. I guess DS is not the business savy person everyone thinks he is. I mean if you default on just about any other contract similar..like a car loan or house loan the bank takes it back and gives it to someone else. They for the most part don't waist money paying their attorney's to try to get blood from a turnip.

Please try to understand, the lawsuit story was not speaking of the general admission individual tickets. It was about the luxury suites, and were upwards of 6000 per season. And its not about 1000's or even hundreds of lawsuits. It's about the people who, after every other resolution was tried (including financing arrangements and other things) the buyer was still in default. At that point, they have had to file 20-30 lawsuits, out of 90000 seats. Please lets not overplay a silly story.

[Pocket$ $traight]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

Please try to understand, the lawsuit story was not speaking of the general admission individual tickets. It was about the luxury suites, and were upwards of 6000 per season. And its not about 1000's or even hundreds of lawsuits. It's about the people who, after every other resolution was tried (including financing arrangements and other things) the buyer was still in default. At that point, they have had to file 20-30 lawsuits, out of 90000 seats. Please lets not overplay a silly story.

You sound like an employee. 20-30? Not according to the Washington Post.

washingtonpost.com

I am not sure that you can be considered objective with what you have posted on this subject.

Btw, this Donovan guy sounds like a real slimeball, just like the owner.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by Pocket$ $traight

You sound like an employee. 20-30? Not according to the Washington Post.

washingtonpost.com

I am not sure that you can be considered objective with what you have posted on this subject.

Btw, this Donovan guy sounds like a real slimeball, just like the owner.

No, I'm not an employee, I don't have tickets. Here is the quote from the post:

The Washington Redskins have filed 137 lawsuits against ticket holders of premium seats and skyboxes in the past five years, according to a review of court records by The Washington Post.

So, 137 lawsuits, divided by 5 years, is 27 lawsuits on average a year. compared to 20-30,000 premium seats and skyboxes a year. If you want to do a 5 year comparison, 137 lawsuits, against 100,000 (at a minimum) sales.

Again, in my opinion, this is just a mudraker story.

[PennSkinsFan]

Originally Posted by Pocket$ $traight

You sound like an employee. 20-30? Not according to the Washington Post.

washingtonpost.com

I am not sure that you can be considered objective with what you have posted on this subject.

Btw, this Donovan guy sounds like a real slimeball, just like the owner.

Yeah. But in reality, is anyone really surprised by this. Snyder is greedy, he has to make the most money, he has proven it. His ownership has been far from a success. His ticket sales are likely taking a hit, due to the economy and the fact that people are sick of watching mediocrity. I know of AT LEAST 13 different ticket holders that cancelled not due to the economy but a refusal to give Dan Snyder anymore money. People want to watch a winner at least once in awhile, especially paying the price they were paying, but consistently, the Redskins are no better than 7-9, 9-7 at best. Yes, there have been better years, but face it, they are not the norm, they are the oddity.

Donovan is just doing what he is told, much like Swanson who sounds just as stupid. To believe Snyder was clueless, ummm, yeah ok, this is a guy that runs Ashburn with an iron fist. $60000 transactions, thousands of ticket to one buy, and Snyder knew nothing. Sorry, I am not naive nor stupid.

It really is a shame. This is what the great franchise has come to.

[Pocket$ $traight]

Washington Redskins React to Fans' Tough Luck With Tough Love - washingtonpost.com

If you want your loyalty tested, read this article.

I love my team however the owner and his heartless business practices disgust me. I hope he is proud of himself and how he has treated the regular people who support the team which became great under someone else's watch.

Dan Snyder, you are a rich man but the end of the day, you are piece of shit. Congratulations on cursing people's lives with the football team that gave them so much joy when you weren't around.

[SBXVII]

Thank God I watch the games from my own private box suite with whatever meals I chose to eat. LOL. Plus instant replay. LOL.

I was shocked to hear this although I should not have been.

On the radio people had all sorts of ideas as to how to get even. Turning you tickets back in only lets the team hand them off to one of the other 150,000 people waiting. If I had tickets I woud probably go for either not showing up for a game, preferably a game like the Rams, Detroit, or showing up and at half time everyone leave so not only would it show the dissaproval of what's been going on but would piss off DS to see the stadium empty on national TV. or pick a game against a weak opponant and sell your tickets to the opposing team fans. How embarrassing/ mad could DS get seeing all the oppossing teams fans cheering for their team in his stadium. I mean if the team can sell out to the scalpers of opposing teams like they did in that one Steelers game then so can everyone else....right.

[SBXVII]

I guess you can call BS to the story but if you listened to your radio tonight on 106.7 it didn't sound like just a few disgruntled fans with different issues. All said the same thing....

They have been treated like shit. Food sucked. Threatened to be sued. Contracts extended with out the fans permission, this alone in a contract involving thousands of dollars should be illegal. The team should have to send letters out notifying fans they need to make the team aware if they plan to renew the contract not simply be able to renew or alter the contract with out a signiture.

[53Fan]

I've never had season tickets so I don't know but he said that's part of the agreement you sign when you get the tickets.