play calling???

[roth74va]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

I wonder if we didn't get the huge run from Portis on the first offensive play, if Zorn would have realized the run wasn't going to be there. I feel like Zorn, much like saden suggested, spent the rest of the game trying to figure out how he could get Portis into the secondary again, instead of figuring out how to get the ball in the end zone as quickly as possible.

I could not agree more, Zorn is in over his head.....with shackles.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

Listening to the replay of the Zorn show on 980 (ESPN 980 Audio Vault - Play Now) earlier today, yikes.

At the 2:53 mark he said, 'We were down 17 points, I wasn't panicking, I was running our plan... I could have abandoned the run and threw the ball but I felt we were in the game, totally'. What game was he at?

At the 3:50 mark when pressed on the pass/run balance in light of the score he said, 'On the sideline I'm looking for what runs are good.. I'm trying to establish we can be a running team, I'm looking for balance.' This speaks to his stubbornness and lack of game awareness. You've got to adjust and adapt to the situation.

does zorn realize that you do whatever you need to do to score points? sometimes that means you have imbalance in your play calling. run or pass. he's such an idiot. he needs to be a qb coach and not a head coach/offensive coordinator.

[insideman]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

does zorn realize that you do whatever you need to do to score points? sometimes that means you have imbalance in your play calling. run or pass. he's such an idiot. he needs to be a qb coach and not a head coach/offensive coordinator.

Well in my opinion unless he just quites, he will be fired before the season is over. I feel he has no leadership skills that is needed in this league, to lead this team. Also in my opinion he seems and acts as though he is afraid to just let him men go out onto the field of honor and play football. He says he has confidence in his team but boy sure as hell doesn't show it.

[dmvskinzfan08]

I read an article. I hope I can find it again. If I can I will post it. But said Portis ran a 4.3 like a year ago. Remember the race in OTAs between him and Landry? You think Landry is slow? They were neck to neck. Portis is only 28. he became a power back because of Gibbs. That's when he put on that weight. I think that is what happened. As far as long runs. people usually stack the box against us so that we can't run as effectively. Saying that CP still had the most first downs in the league. That is not a small thing. It could be the difference in winning games. Which was evident in the last 8 games. He was much of our success in the first hal of the season last year. Clinton is second in yards among active rushers behind only LT. AD doesn't have enough attempts to be put on the list yet. But he will be there also soon. LT CP AD. I think are the 3 best backs in the league (not in the specific order). Long runs are good and we all would love for him to break one or have a scat back that can break one. But this goes back to the arguement that was going on in the off season about which backs should stay or go. Think about it for a second...

Jacobs/Ward - NY
Barber/Jones - Dallas
White/Johnson - Tenn


Portis is faster than Jacobs, Barber and White in my opinion. But he also has power. He is a better all around back than them. But as far as that second guy. Betts is not that good and I wont even go to the 3rd strong RBs on these teams

Giants ran 3 backs last year. Jacobs, Bradshaw & Ward.

We saw three from this yesterady. With Jacobs, Ward & Ware. We probably would have saw three even if Ware didn't get hurt. Dallas has Barber, Jones and Choice. Ill end the convo here..

[dmvskinzfan08]

I am going to throw this out there also.

Both Eli and JC. Had a interception and a fumble and a similar passer rating.

Granted JC's int was returned for a TD. But both fumble were similar. They both got swiped.

We played bad as a team and still was in the game "mathmatically". But when the Giants have one of the most dominant D-lines in the league and we can't get a three and out when we need one from our D -- that is more telling than JC's mistakes. NOt to mention the stupid penalities on defense.

We will be much improve next week. But we must come out on fire and have some passion. If not we can lose to STL too.

[skins89moss]

I think Zorn also needs to use the screen pass to our backs more when we face agressive pass rushers. I see other teams using the screen pass and it sure is effective when called at the right time. Timing is everything in football but the screen will slow down the pass rushers some.

[CRedskinsRule]

Cooley's take (with a note from CP):

"I mean, fans are the best coaches in the world," Cooley joked. "And a little bit to their credit, so are a lot of us. In hindsight, calling a game is so easy. And a lot of the things that we do [wrong] are simple mistakes to fix. In hindsight, things are great. It's so hard to do what we do. And it's not like high school football, where guys can just go out and play.

"I understand that everyone's upset, but they need to understand that this is the most important thing in our lives as well, and that we're the ones spending all the time and doing everything, and it matters. I mean, as much as it matters to any fan, to me, it's my life."

Portis was given several opportunities to demand the ball more, or to criticize Coach Jim Zorn, or to criticize the play-calling, and he didn't even come close to losing his cool. He'd have made a horrible blog commenter this week.

[franklinhimself]

When we beat Minnesota in 2007 as part of our 4-win stretch to make the playoffs Gibbs pounded the rock to wear out the Williams' Wall, and by late 3rd quarter we were running through them.
I didn't like the majority of Jim Zorn's play calling, but that pound the rock philosophy has worked before. I like Zorn's balanced approach,- at least we're not AZ who only ran the ball 34% last year. Sometimes Zorn is too balanced though, and so damn predictable.

[53Fan]

Originally Posted by franklinhimself

When we beat Minnesota in 2007 as part of our 4-win stretch to make the playoffs Gibbs pounded the rock to wear out the Williams' Wall, and by late 3rd quarter we were running through them.
I didn't like the majority of Jim Zorn's play calling, but that pound the rock philosophy has worked before. I like Zorn's balanced approach,- at least we're not AZ who only ran the ball 34% last year. Sometimes Zorn is too balanced though, and so damn predictable.

Bad example. They went to the SB last year by running the ball 34% of the time, I would be fine with that.

[Beemnseven]

Originally Posted by franklinhimself

When we beat Minnesota in 2007 as part of our 4-win stretch to make the playoffs Gibbs pounded the rock to wear out the Williams' Wall, and by late 3rd quarter we were running through them.
I didn't like the majority of Jim Zorn's play calling, but that pound the rock philosophy has worked before. I like Zorn's balanced approach,- at least we're not AZ who only ran the ball 34% last year. Sometimes Zorn is too balanced though, and so damn predictable.

We also raced out to a 25-0 nothing lead in that game by thowing 3 touchdown passes in the first half.

The "pounding the rock" philosophy worked when we had John Riggins, but those days are long gone. We don't have a running back remotely close to his style, and we certainly don't have the same type of offensive line. Most people don't know this, but after Riggins left, Gibbs and the Redskins had become a passing team, and, in fact Gibbs as an offensive coordinator for San Diego under Don Coryell was as wide open and wild as an offense has ever been. It was only after Gibbs came here that he recognized his personnel wasn't suited for that type of scheme and adapted to the players he had.

Zorn needs to do the same thing, because clearly this offense has no idea what it's supposed to be.