"A Lot of These Guys Don't Want It"

poopoobigelow · 09-28-2009, 01:09 AM

i've soured on zorn for many reasons, but, i was thinking that before this game today, if we lost, we should still stick with zorn through the season... i'm not a knee-jerk fan...

however, i could tell that the players didn't care today, especially in the first half, especially the defense, except for fletcher, jc, doughty, rocky, horton... i think that zorn and/or blache have lost the locker room... if the players aren't going to give it their all because of a coach--whether the reason is just or not--it's time to let the coach go...

the players don't believe in zorn, and if that's the case, we're not winning many (any?) more games this year...

Lotus · 09-28-2009, 09:51 AM

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Originally Posted by poopoobigelow

i've soured on zorn for many reasons, but, i was thinking that before this game today, if we lost, we should still stick with zorn through the season... i'm not a knee-jerk fan...

however, i could tell that the players didn't care today, especially in the first half, especially the defense, except for fletcher, jc, doughty, rocky, horton... i think that zorn and/or blache have lost the locker room... if the players aren't going to give it their all because of a coach--whether the reason is just or not--it's time to let the coach go...

the players don't believe in zorn, and if that's the case, we're not winning many (any?) more games this year...

It would appear that you have nailed it. I suppose Zorn could turn it around, but he would need a sweeping change beginning now. Right now.

GTripp0012 · 09-28-2009, 01:15 AM

I'd take that a step further. Zorn being a bad coach has nothing to do with the Detroit loss. The Redskins just feature all the aspects of a poorly coached team: sideline disorganization, poor tempo in the huddle, playing time going to people who have not earned it, and lots of decisions being made to sustain rather than on merit. None of those things actually significantly hurt your chances of winning (though the disorganization on the sideline doesn't help), and certainly none of those things contributed to the loss to the Lions.

But whether because Zorn has too many responsibilities, and not enough help, or because he's failing at his job, the result is a team that is poorly coached, and that can stunt player development.

One reason I like Jon Gruden is because he's a complete workaholic and can handle many hats. I think Zorn is putting in the same time that Holmgren did, but he's got way more control over the long term direction of the franchise than Mike did down the stretch in Seattle. Understandably, I think he's cutting some corners.

Swarley · 09-28-2009, 01:23 AM

That could very well be it actually but I originally took "thinking of something else" as thinking of all the money/fame they could be have without actually putting it out on the field.

You might be right though

skins89moss · 09-28-2009, 01:37 AM

This team looks old out there. The D-Line has no pass rush with Daniels and Carter starting at DE we get no pressure. Teams keep us off balance by throwing on 1st downs and keeping the down and distance short on 3rd down. Our defense is sad on 3rd down which keeps them on the field and our offense off the field. Our defense does not score any points and they seem to react to the others teams offense instead of dictating the game to them. We don't attack the opponets offense we appeared to wait and react. Greg Williams dictated the game and did not give a rats ass what they were going to do. We made them adjust to what we were doing. This put the offense at a disadvantage. Why we did not give Greg Williams a chance is beyond me.

irish · 09-28-2009, 07:13 AM

Zorn will never be confused with Vince Lombardi but he is stuck coaching a bunch of no account losers. Its sad.

artmonkforhallofamein07 · 09-28-2009, 09:41 AM

I'm just glad one of the players is actually saying it and it's not just all of us thinking it.

I don't think that we as fans really car much about this team anymore. I am a die hard I

just can't let the Redskins affect my mood the way they do when I have no control over

the product on the field. And now that DH ( who by the way is awful and VC just threw

more of DS money out of the window ) has come out and said what we all feel like we

are watching I could give a shit. I live in SC was going to see the team play in Carolina,

Atlanta, and Dc a couple of times this year. Now though I will chill out at home and

watch. We are not going to waste the time and money going to stadiums to see this piss

poor effort.

redsk1 · 09-28-2009, 09:44 AM

I didn't really see alot from our CB's yesterday, so i don't think D Hall should be doing alot of talking. He's good at talking though. Talking has gotten him paid 50 Million for being an average nfl CB.

Lotus · 09-28-2009, 09:52 AM

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Originally Posted by redsk1

I didn't really see alot from our CB's yesterday, so i don't think D Hall should be doing alot of talking. He's good at talking though. Talking has gotten him paid 50 Million for being an average nfl CB.

Yeah, I don't know that D.Hall is the right guy to be calling everyone out. There's a little pot-kettle thing there.

724Skinsfan · 09-28-2009, 09:57 AM

If the pot's right, does it really matter whether it came from him or someone else?

Lotus · 09-28-2009, 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by 724Skinsfan

If the pot's right, does it really matter whether it came from him or someone else?

Good point.

Trample the Elderly · 09-28-2009, 11:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lotus

Good point.

Now that is some serious disdain Lotus. Mutiny is one thing, the Cowboys is another.

Lotus · 09-28-2009, 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Trample the Elderly

Now that is some serious disdain Lotus. Mutiny is one thing, the Cowboys is another.

I'm not rooting for the Cowboys, just extending my shame and being true to my word. It never seriously occurred to me that we might lose to the Lions so I made a foolish vow.

saden1 · 09-28-2009, 12:01 PM

Thank god I didn't watch the game or I might have gone insane. What an awful and sad bunch. While I'm not ready to mail the season in I'm more inclined to want to see Zorn replaced at the end of the season.

Hog1 · 09-28-2009, 12:06 PM

If it were mine to do, I would have a lot of new faces in the starting line-up that ARE eager to play. Just as the "5-things" article states. PLAY THE F....N YOUNG GUYS!!!
AT LEAST...they will play hard.

09-28-2009, 01:09 AM	#1
poopoobigelow Camp Scrub Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: SLC, unfortunately... Posts: 22	Re: "A Lot of These Guys Don't Want It" i've soured on zorn for many reasons, but, i was thinking that before this game today, if we lost, we should still stick with zorn through the season... i'm not a knee-jerk fan... however, i could tell that the players didn't care today, especially in the first half, especially the defense, except for fletcher, jc, doughty, rocky, horton... i think that zorn and/or blache have lost the locker room... if the players aren't going to give it their all because of a coach--whether the reason is just or not--it's time to let the coach go... the players don't believe in zorn, and if that's the case, we're not winning many (any?) more games this year...

09-28-2009, 01:15 AM	#3
GTripp0012 Living Legend Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Evanston, IL Age: 38 Posts: 15,994	Re: "A Lot of These Guys Don't Want It" I'd take that a step further. Zorn being a bad coach has nothing to do with the Detroit loss. The Redskins just feature all the aspects of a poorly coached team: sideline disorganization, poor tempo in the huddle, playing time going to people who have not earned it, and lots of decisions being made to sustain rather than on merit. None of those things actually significantly hurt your chances of winning (though the disorganization on the sideline doesn't help), and certainly none of those things contributed to the loss to the Lions. But whether because Zorn has too many responsibilities, and not enough help, or because he's failing at his job, the result is a team that is poorly coached, and that can stunt player development. One reason I like Jon Gruden is because he's a complete workaholic and can handle many hats. I think Zorn is putting in the same time that Holmgren did, but he's got way more control over the long term direction of the franchise than Mike did down the stretch in Seattle. Understandably, I think he's cutting some corners. __________________ according to a source with knowledge of the situation.

09-28-2009, 01:23 AM	#4
Swarley The Starter Join Date: Jan 2006 Age: 37 Posts: 1,092	Re: "A Lot of These Guys Don't Want It" That could very well be it actually but I originally took "thinking of something else" as thinking of all the money/fame they could be have without actually putting it out on the field. You might be right though

09-28-2009, 01:37 AM	#5
skins89moss Playmaker Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Las Vegas Posts: 3,634	Re: "A Lot of These Guys Don't Want It" This team looks old out there. The D-Line has no pass rush with Daniels and Carter starting at DE we get no pressure. Teams keep us off balance by throwing on 1st downs and keeping the down and distance short on 3rd down. Our defense is sad on 3rd down which keeps them on the field and our offense off the field. Our defense does not score any points and they seem to react to the others teams offense instead of dictating the game to them. We don't attack the opponets offense we appeared to wait and react. Greg Williams dictated the game and did not give a rats ass what they were going to do. We made them adjust to what we were doing. This put the offense at a disadvantage. Why we did not give Greg Williams a chance is beyond me. __________________ www.islandstyleflowers.com Home of the Hawaiian Foam Flowers and Kukui Nut Leis. Great selections and best prices. Redskins Fan Since 1972

09-28-2009, 07:13 AM	#6
irish Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 4,575	Re: "A Lot of These Guys Don't Want It" Zorn will never be confused with Vince Lombardi but he is stuck coaching a bunch of no account losers. Its sad.

09-28-2009, 09:41 AM	#7
artmonkforhallofamein07 Pro Bowl Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Charleston , SC Posts: 5,001	Re: "A Lot of These Guys Don't Want It" I'm just glad one of the players is actually saying it and it's not just all of us thinking it. I don't think that we as fans really car much about this team anymore. I am a die hard I just can't let the Redskins affect my mood the way they do when I have no control over the product on the field. And now that DH ( who by the way is awful and VC just threw more of DS money out of the window ) has come out and said what we all feel like we are watching I could give a shit. I live in SC was going to see the team play in Carolina, Atlanta, and Dc a couple of times this year. Now though I will chill out at home and watch. We are not going to waste the time and money going to stadiums to see this piss poor effort. __________________ Just win.

09-28-2009, 09:44 AM	#8
redsk1 The Starter Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 2,351	Re: "A Lot of These Guys Don't Want It" I didn't really see alot from our CB's yesterday, so i don't think D Hall should be doing alot of talking. He's good at talking though. Talking has gotten him paid 50 Million for being an average nfl CB.

09-28-2009, 09:57 AM	#10
724Skinsfan Playmaker Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Roanoke, VA Posts: 3,508	Re: "A Lot of These Guys Don't Want It" If the pot's right, does it really matter whether it came from him or someone else? __________________ "I hope I'm getting better. I hope you haven't seen my best." - Jim Zorn

09-28-2009, 12:01 PM	#14
saden1 MVP Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Seattle Age: 47 Posts: 10,069	Re: "A Lot of These Guys Don't Want It" Thank god I didn't watch the game or I might have gone insane. What an awful and sad bunch. While I'm not ready to mail the season in I'm more inclined to want to see Zorn replaced at the end of the season. __________________ "The Redskins have always suffered from chronic organizational deformities under Snyder." -Jenkins

09-28-2009, 12:06 PM	#15
Hog1 Quietly Dominating the East Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Naples, Florida Posts: 10,675	Re: "A Lot of These Guys Don't Want It" If it were mine to do, I would have a lot of new faces in the starting line-up that ARE eager to play. Just as the "5-things" article states. PLAY THE F....N YOUNG GUYS!!! AT LEAST...they will play hard. __________________ Goodbye Sean..........Vaya Con Dios thankyou Joe....... *“God made certain people to play football. He was one of them.” – Joe Gibbs* Last edited by Hog1; 09-28-2009 at 12:16 PM.

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