Campbell's numbers dont lie

[skinsfan_nn]

Originally Posted by Green1

Every thread someone is calling for campbell to be benched but his numbers are great.
1. Rating: 92.5 Higher than Brady, Big Ben, C. Palmer, Cutler, and Rivers
2. 9th in passing yards: More that Rodgers, Ryan, Palmer, E. Manning, & Cutler
3. 5th in the Comp. Percent. 67.6%: Higher than everyone in the league except P. Manning, Brees, Big Ben, and Chad Penn.

So what else does he have to do to be considered a good QB. The Skins have a good QB, just bad playcalling, no running game, and no O-line. Get off campbell's back. He is doing more with less better than anyone in the NFL. Check the stats the STATS don't lie!

Damn SOUP, I didn't know you where a member of the path. Shouldn't you be studying your damn play book, and getting ready for the bucs....?

[CRedskinsRule]

[being tired of 3 year old debate]
[sarcasm on]

I would rather have Ramsey

[sarcasm off]

[djnemo65]

There were two third down plays yesterday, one near the redzone as well as the play on which he threw an interception, in which Campbell responded to pressure by ignoring open receivers - Moss and Are respectively - and throwing into coverage. And those were just the two I noticed on TV, there certainly could have been more. QB numbers matter, but as Mike Shanahan famously said you make your money as a QB in the NFL on third down, and that's where Campbell has really been struggling.

I get the argument that Campbell's supporting cast isn't helping him - hell I've made it myself for the past year - but at some point we have to start thinking about whether or not Campbell is the right player for the team we have now (which isn't getting any better anytime soon). They can't protect him and he's bad against pressure. I've seen the statistics about how prolific Campbell is when given time to throw but when is he given time to throw? And when will he be? Our line is old and the cupboard is bare. There's no budding linemen pushing the older guys to start.

So if it becomes clear that he won't be coming back next year, and wow it's going to take a lot for that not to be the case, when do we need to think about making a change?

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by djnemo65

There were two third down plays yesterday, one near the redzone as well as the play on which he threw an interception, in which Campbell responded to pressure by ignoring open receivers - Moss and Are respectively - and throwing into coverage. And those were just the two I noticed on TV, there certainly could have been more. QB numbers matter, but as Mike Shanahan famously said you make your money as a QB in the NFL on third down, and that's where Campbell has really been struggling.

I get the argument that Campbell's supporting cast isn't helping him - hell I've made it myself for the past year - but at some point we have to start thinking about whether or not Campbell is the right player for the team we have now (which isn't getting any better anytime soon). They can't protect him and he's bad against pressure. I've seen the statistics about how prolific Campbell is when given time to throw but when is he given time to throw? And when will he be? Our line is old and the cupboard is bare. There's no budding linemen pushing the older guys to start.

So if it becomes clear that he won't be coming back next year, and wow it's going to take a lot for that not to be the case, when do we need to think about making a change?

Campbell was pretty darn good on third down in the first two games, and not so good yesterday.

QBs may earn their money on third downs, but the best third down players are also the best first and second down players.

I do agree that if this offense doesn't improve with him at the helm, there's no particular reason to give him a lot of money to oversee even more years of offensive mistakes. He's the kind of player you can build around, but if we haven't done it yet, I don't see it why we would in the future.

None of our problems have ever been about the QB position, and since we can't win with a decent quarterback, I'm thinking it might not matter whether we have one or not. We can lose a lot of games with this defense, this running game, and whoever at the helm. Doesn't really even matter if the current group fails.

[skins89moss]

Originally Posted by djnemo65

There were two third down plays yesterday, one near the redzone as well as the play on which he threw an interception, in which Campbell responded to pressure by ignoring open receivers - Moss and Are respectively - and throwing into coverage. And those were just the two I noticed on TV, there certainly could have been more. QB numbers matter, but as Mike Shanahan famously said you make your money as a QB in the NFL on third down, and that's where Campbell has really been struggling.

I get the argument that Campbell's supporting cast isn't helping him - hell I've made it myself for the past year - but at some point we have to start thinking about whether or not Campbell is the right player for the team we have now (which isn't getting any better anytime soon). They can't protect him and he's bad against pressure. I've seen the statistics about how prolific Campbell is when given time to throw but when is he given time to throw? And when will he be? Our line is old and the cupboard is bare. There's no budding linemen pushing the older guys to start.

So if it becomes clear that he won't be coming back next year, and wow it's going to take a lot for that not to be the case, when do we need to think about making a change?

Who is the right player for this team? Oh do we go out and try to trade for Peyton Manning or Tom Brady. Lets figure out who the damn coach is going to be for possible next year. We have a good QB lets work with him and focus on a better O-Line to give us a running game to help our QB.

[Big C]

im not the biggest fan of campbell, i believe he is an above average qb, nothing more, but those who argue that his stats are good, therefore he is good need to remember mark brunell had some good stats while here, doesnt mean the offese was good with him at the helm.

[saden1]

I really like how JC has played this season. Our problem is that we can't punch it in and that's a direct function of coaching.

[Skinny Tee]

WHOOOOOOOOAA!!!...I'm on tonight
You know Campbell's numbers don't lie...
And I am starting to feel you boy...

Come on let's go...real slow...
Don't you see baby the QB es perfecto!

[Paintrain]

Among the problems this team has, I'd put Campbell in the top 10, probably around 9. My lack of faith and trust in Zorn is such that I hope JC gets extended just to see what Shanny or Gruden can accomplish with him.

One of the posters previously noted 6 possessions where the team didn't score in the red zone that were not JC related. It's hard to blame one man for everything yet some fans are convicted to do just that.

[jamf]

Originally Posted by Green1

1. Rating: 92.5 Higher than Brady, Big Ben, C. Palmer, Cutler, and Rivers

He also has the most passing attempts in anyone in the group and the least TDs.

Again, It's not all his fault but it's pretty much the same shit that got Brunell run out of town.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by jamf

Again, It's not all his fault but it's pretty much the same shit that got Brunell run out of town.

Pretty much. But that was only defensible because we had Campbell waiting in the wings. At this point, the same course of action is pretty indefensible.

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by jamf

He also has the most passing attempts in anyone in the group and the least TDs.

Again, It's not all his fault but it's pretty much the same shit that got Brunell run out of town.

Damn...good call. I just commented from reading the first post not reading the other 4 pages, didn't expect anyone else to bring Brunell up. Good job.

[roth74va]

Great thread, Im glad that Im not the only one that feels this way. Of course playing QB, you are the first one that people "dog" when you lose, and the first one for "kudos" when you win. Some of the stats are padded because they came at trash time, but there have been alot of missed opportunities that could have helped the stats as well that havent been his fault. Im surprised that he is doing so well considering the horrendous playcalling, and the defenses inability to get off the field. The line is giving more time than last year, but still needs to improve so we dont miss those potential big plays.

If Campbell does get away, we will end up regretting it in the long run. The guy has steadily improved, and handled the chaos that is the Redskins like a true professional. I really feel like he could do much better with a better coach and more innovative playcalling.

[MTK]

I do agree people need to get off his back already. Our problems right now run much deeper than who's playing QB. He's one of our lone bright spots so far.

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

I do agree people need to get off his back already. Our problems right now run much deeper than who's playing QB. He's one of our lone bright spots so far.

First sentence OK, second sentence dead on, third sentence is not accurate. He's NOT a bright spot. If he stepped up and won us a game, then yes, I'd say he was, but he disappeared when we needed him most. Don't know why Campbell's lease is sooooo long when others have had no leash at all.