Gray, Smith likely interim coach choices

[Hog1]

Welll......Gruden is a HARD ASS disciplinarian. I would welcome it, and I believe most of the players would? They would like to.....win
AND, those that cannot embrace a NEW winning attitude can GET THE F... OUT!
HTTR

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

The favoritism element is not exclusive to the Redskins. So I don't expect that would change.

I recognize there is some favoritism by owners. I mean, they spend millions of dollars on these teams and one of the perks seems to be hanging with the players. It just seems that, with DS, some of the players are given elevated status b/c they have the ear of the owner (clearly, this was also true of M. Vick). I suppose I would not be surprised that other owners have their "favorites" who coaches must treat differently for fear of the owner. Are there also owners (other than Crazy Al in Oakland) who are also play "unfavorites" the way Danny does?

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

You're with me!

The favoritism element is not exclusive to the Redskins. So I don't expect that would change.

What we really need is more restraint. I think Snyder (and I mentioned this in another thread) will do whatever it takes to get whoever he wants, Vinny wants, Zorn wants, Blache wants, Bugel wants, Gibbs wants, Saunders wants, and so on. And to an extent that's great, you want an owner who will not hesitate to get you what you need.

At the same time though, someone has to be the "dad" here and be the disciplinarian. Then maybe this time next year we wouldn't be wondering how come Campbell, Duckett, Taylor, and Lloyd aren't here anymore...and neither are a first, second, three thirds, and fourth and a sixth

That, and I was wondering: the reports that Snyder was livid after the game might be erroneous, and they might not be, but why? Why the heck is the owner livid? Because we gave up a 15 point 3rd quarter lead to a bad team under a coach who had been, historically, very good at holding leads?

If the owner is going to be involved, he needs to be completely emotionless and detacted from outcomes. It's right for the coaches to be livid, the fans to be livid, even the G.M. for a few minutes before getting back to work. The owner can not be so attached to winning and losing without compromising his decision making. And given the quality of Snyder's decision making over the years, I'd argue he's been quite compromised.

A good owner responds to winning and losing exactly the same way, by trying to make his investment better in the long-run. Snyder of all people should not be riding the emotional roller coaster of the season. At the end of the day, that's Jerry Jones' biggest flaw.

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

A good owner responds to winning and losing exactly the same way, by trying to make his investment better in the long-run. Snyder of all people should not be riding the emotional roller coaster of the season. At the end of the day, that's Jerry Jones' biggest flaw.

Exactly! Well put.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

I recognize there is some favoritism by owners. I mean, they spend millions of dollars on these teams and one of the perks seems to be hanging with the players. It just seems that, with DS, some of the players are given elevated status b/c they have the ear of the owner (clearly, this was also true of M. Vick). I suppose I would not be surprised that other owners have their "favorites" who coaches must treat differently for fear of the owner. Are there also owners (other than Crazy Al in Oakland) who are also play "unfavorites" the way Danny does?

What do you mean?

[JoeRedskin]

I am talking about the treatment L. Coles and B. Johnson got when they fell into disfavor, they were not just shown the door - DS had to give them a little sumthin, sumthin (refusing to shake Johnson's hand after a victory, the "Big-Screen" TV comment to Coles - there may be others that we just haven't heard about, the Ice Cream incident with Nolan). Maybe I am reading it wrong, but it seems that Snyder can be very petty.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

I am talking about the treatment L. Coles and B. Johnson got when they fell into disfavor, they were not just shown the door - DS had to give them a little sumthin, sumthin (refusing to shake Johnson's hand after a victory, the "Big-Screen" TV comment to Coles - there may be others that we just haven't heard about, the Ice Cream incident with Nolan). Maybe I am reading it wrong, but it seems that Snyder can be very petty.

I don't specifically know. I know of other owners doing things for certain players that they wouldn't do for others, but I don't really know of any examples of treatment in the opposite direction.

I don't think Snyder is as petty overall as he used to be, but that's just based on limited knowledge of what's really happening these days inside Redskins Park. When I was more on the inside I do know that he was surrounded by petty people in his ownership group and front office (the business side, not the football side so much). All those people are now gone

[Monkeydad]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

It's not Snyder's football acumen that I detest - I am with Smoot (I think) in that I believe our talent aquisition has not been that bad with the glaring example of the OLine.

It's Snyder's favoritism and pettiness that I think muddle the pie. If I'm the new coach, I would say - "Mr. Snyder, if I find my guys hanging out with you, calling you, or in any way interacting with you in a way I have not approved, I will cut them. Then you can pal around with them all you like. I don't care if its the QB you personally recruited during the FA signing period. Consider it a 'non-fraternization policy'. You want to speak to the team on occasion - hey fine as long as it is to the ENTIRE team and not just one or two guys."

Obviously, Snyder would never go for that.

The new coach would be fired.

[BDBohnzie]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

So when you say a "football man" what exactly do you mean?

A football man along the lines of a Bobby Beathard, Bruce Allen, Ron Wolf, Scott Pioli. A guy who gets it. I don't completely bash Vinny Cerrato as I don't think 100% of the blame lies with him, but I think it's quite obvious that there has to be someone between the team and Snyder and Cerrato that can provide another view.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by BDBohnzie

A football man along the lines of a Bobby Beathard, Bruce Allen, Ron Wolf, Scott Pioli. A guy who gets it. I don't completely bash Vinny Cerrato as I don't think 100% of the blame lies with him, but I think it's quite obvious that there has to be someone between the team and Snyder and Cerrato that can provide another view.

Agreed. I don't necessarily think the guys above "get it" any more than VC does. But I do agree that there has to be someone else with authority in this triumvirate. You'd think it'd be the head coach, but maybe Zorn is like Spurrier in that he just doesn't get involved in all that personnel stuff

[BDBohnzie]

From what I've read, it comes across that Zorn is a guy who doesn't want to get his hands dirty with personnel decisions. He's seems ready to march Campbell in front of another patchwork offensive line, instead of talking with Cerrato and Snyder about getting some OLine help before the trade deadline. But I also think Zorn is completely in over his head now, and he's just trying to keep his head afloat...