The Collins Sighting

[tryfuhl]

Originally Posted by YellowBirdy

I think it’s clear to everyone that the main problem on the field (excluding Zorn and DS) is the O Line but to say that TC didn’t do any better than JC is I think missing the point. He did as well as JC after more than a year of being the second string with little chance of practice with the starting offense. Let’s get real hear TC must benefit from a weeks practice with the starters and JC has had his chance. I doubt either will start next season but we can’t keep going on with JC, we seem to be getting worse, not better and we have to change something.

This is true; new system for Collins after being on the bench for so many years in a single system. At least you KNEW Collins was a backup.

[YellowBirdy]

10-18-2009, 04:14 PM #36 (permalink)
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Originally Posted by YellowBirdy
I think it’s clear to everyone that the main problem on the field (excluding Zorn and DS) is the O Line but to say that TC didn’t do any better than JC is I think missing the point. He did as well as JC after more than a year of being the second string with little chance of practice with the starting offense. Let’s get real hear TC must benefit from a weeks practice with the starters and JC has had his chance. I doubt either will start next season but we can’t keep going on with JC, we seem to be getting worse, not better and we have to change something.

There are still several things wrong with our offense that replacing JC with TC is not going to fix (i.e. our running, WRs not making plays, etc., etc.)
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I totally agree with that but I think we are now in the position of looking at what we can change i.e. the Quarter Back, not what we would like to change, which is a hell of a lot.

[Gmanc711]

Whtaever.... I just got back from the game. Everyone was cheering for him when he came in...but Im' sorry, he's no better. Everyone sucks equally. I still think JC should be the one under center, but I think no one is here next year.

[47FAN]

NO is the team to beat

[47FAN]

whats the chances of greg williams coming back here? what is his contract status in NO?

[skins89moss]

Originally Posted by 47FAN

whats the chances of greg williams coming back here? what is his contract status in NO?

Why in the F**k would Greg Williams come back to organization that kicked him to the curb?

[SouperMeister]

Bottom line, the QB will make little difference behind this makeshift line. A poor O-line makes a great QB look mediocre and an average QB look poor. A superior OL can make an average QB look Pro Bowl caliber (Mark Rypien). It's pretty clear what this team needs to do from a personnel standpoint. I just wish that Cerrato was held accountable for this year's debacle, because he chose to neglect the O-line when we had 10 picks in 2008, only drafting Chad Rinehart. That's not addressing O-line depth.

[44Deezel]

Originally Posted by SouperMeister

Bottom line, the QB will make little difference behind this makeshift line. A poor O-line makes a great QB look mediocre and an average QB look poor. A superior OL can make an average QB look Pro Bowl caliber (Mark Rypien). It's pretty clear what this team needs to do from a personnel standpoint. I just wish that Cerrato was held accountable for this year's debacle, because he chose to neglect the O-line when we had 10 picks in 2008, only drafting Chad Rinehart. That's not addressing O-line depth.

Yeah, but not this bad. Aaron Rodgers is getting crushed this year and they still manage to score points. They had 23 against the Vikes, and he got sacked 8 times. JC got sacked 8 times in the first 4 games combined, and the Skins still couldn't do shit. Also, Big Ben and Matt Cassel got sacked more than JC last year, and the Pats went 11-5 and the Steelers won it all. The Vikes were all over Flacco today, and they still scored 31. A poor O-line definitely doesn't help, but nothing can excuse the Skins Offensive production this year. A QB playing at a high level can still make things happen when protection breaks down. Can they score 45 points in a half like the Pats, maybe not. But can they still manage 20 plus points. Yes, happens all the time.

[DBUCHANON101]

Originally Posted by 44Deezel

Yeah, but not this bad. Aaron Rodgers is getting crushed this year and they still manage to score points. They had 23 against the Vikes, and he got sacked 8 times. JC got sacked 8 times in the first 4 games combined, and the Skins still couldn't do shit. Also, Big Ben and Matt Cassel got sacked more than JC last year, and the Pats went 11-5 and the Steelers won it all. The Vikes were all over Flacco today, and they still scored 31. A poor O-line definitely doesn't help, but nothing can excuse the Skins Offensive production this year. A QB playing at a high level can still make things happen when protection breaks down. Can they score 45 points in a half like the Pats, maybe not. But can they still manage 20 plus points. Yes, happens all the time.

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[warriorzpath]

Originally Posted by 44Deezel

Yeah, but not this bad. Aaron Rodgers is getting crushed this year and they still manage to score points. They had 23 against the Vikes, and he got sacked 8 times. JC got sacked 8 times in the first 4 games combined, and the Skins still couldn't do shit. Also, Big Ben and Matt Cassel got sacked more than JC last year, and the Pats went 11-5 and the Steelers won it all. The Vikes were all over Flacco today, and they still scored 31. A poor O-line definitely doesn't help, but nothing can excuse the Skins Offensive production this year. A QB playing at a high level can still make things happen when protection breaks down. Can they score 45 points in a half like the Pats, maybe not. But can they still manage 20 plus points. Yes, happens all the time.

I do agree with the main point of this - it's more on the qb than it is on the offensive line.

And to make it clearer of how unexcusable Campbell's play has been most of this season - Todd Collins, a career backup, comes in the second half and even though doesn't light it up, there is not a drop-off of offensive production. The offense argubly got better and I assume that he didn't any quality snaps in practice during this preceding week - which can make a huge difference (although with Zorn, I don't know what to expect).

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by warriorzpath

I do agree with the main point of this - it's more on the qb than it is on the offensive line.

And to make it clearer of how unexcusable Campbell's play has been most of this season - Todd Collins, a career backup, comes in the second half and even though doesn't light it up, there is not a drop-off of offensive production. The offense argubly got better and I assume that he didn't any quality snaps in practice during this preceding week - which can make a huge difference (although with Zorn, I don't know what to expect).

There was a major dropoff in production though, and an equally obvious increase in hilarity.

Anyone who says otherwise wasn't paying attention. Put it this way: Campbell has now had three games where he was held without a TD pass or a FG attempt in the first half. The first two games, we scored 17 and 14 points. This game, we scored six, and no touchdows. If that's not a dropoff, I have no idea what a dropoff is.

[warriorzpath]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

There was a major dropoff in production though, and an equally obvious increase in hilarity.

Anyone who says otherwise wasn't paying attention.

No. 2 field goals for a Collins lead offense. no points for Campbell behind the same exact offensive line and against the same exact team.

[MTK]

Kinda hard to blame Collins much. It's tough to come off the bench when you've had maybe 10% of the snaps all week. At this point might as well stick with TC and see what he can do with a real week of preparation.

[DynamiteRave]

Collins is a mere band-aid over a gaping wound.

There are problems far larger than the QB situation going here and neither JC nor Collins nor effing Tom Brady could fix it.

... Okay maybe Tom Brady.

[redskinsgirl]

Originally Posted by DynamiteRave

Collins is a mere band-aid over a gaping wound.

There are problems far larger than the QB situation going here and neither JC nor Collins nor effing Tom Brady could fix it.

... Okay maybe Tom Brady.

I agree.