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Old 10-19-2009, 11:48 AM   #1
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Re: You're Dan Snyder, what's your move?

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There are some tweaks that can be made to the D sure, but you can't clean house on both sides of the ball. The D ain't broke, no need to fix it. We'll have our hands full rebuilding the OL and finding a QB.
That kind of thinking has gotten us into the one player away mentality. We're always trying to plug things in to see if it works. Well...that just doesn't work.

Rebuilding consisits of tearing it down and building it back up the way it needs to be built. Kind of like the way the millitary does to its new recruits.

I know our defense is good but I do not want to impede the scheme or the authority of our new coach just because of what we've done in the past. If the new coach can work with it fine but I personally am expecting wholesale changes to our team.
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Old 10-19-2009, 11:48 AM   #2
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Re: You're Dan Snyder, what's your move?

I would have said to mostly clean house on offense, but the thread was what should Dan Snyder do. I would want the newly appointed GM to mostly clean house on offense. Dan needs to stay out of that too. Since it's fun to do i would start w/ CP, ARE, R Thomas (he's a good dude but hey), possibly SM.
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Old 10-19-2009, 11:50 AM   #3
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Re: You're Dan Snyder, what's your move?

I would bet any coach looking at this roster would take one look at the D and say, I can work with that unit. The offense needs work, but I can win games with this D. No need to make changes just for the sake of change.
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Old 10-19-2009, 12:04 PM   #4
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I would bet any coach looking at this roster would take one look at the D and say, I can work with that unit. The offense needs work, but I can win games with this D. No need to make changes just for the sake of change.
My question is: what do you do with Fletcher? He's still a very productive player (not as good as last year), and absolutely critical for this defense to be above average. But he has two years left on his contract, they're expensive years, and he will be 35 next season. With Orakpo pretty much requiring a move to DL, that entire unit needs to be rebuilt.

So how many draft resources do you put in that position considering how much help the O needs? And with Fletcher, who is a pretty darn good player who we are still losing with, do you cut bait with him at the end of the year and just let the defense take it's lumps?
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Old 10-19-2009, 12:22 PM   #5
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My question is: what do you do with Fletcher? He's still a very productive player (not as good as last year), and absolutely critical for this defense to be above average. But he has two years left on his contract, they're expensive years, and he will be 35 next season. With Orakpo pretty much requiring a move to DL, that entire unit needs to be rebuilt.

So how many draft resources do you put in that position considering how much help the O needs? And with Fletcher, who is a pretty darn good player who we are still losing with, do you cut bait with him at the end of the year and just let the defense take it's lumps?
I think you can get by another season with Fletcher.
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Old 10-19-2009, 12:26 PM   #6
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I think you can get by another season with Fletcher.
I'd say just one more. I noticed Blades got about a series or so in the 1st half yesterday. I wondered if they're just trying to spell LF a little.

I don't think Blades is a long-term answer at MLB for this d, but come next year we might be seeing a 3-4 for all we know.
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Old 10-19-2009, 12:27 PM   #7
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I think you can get by another season with Fletcher.
Under our current conditions I think it's unfair to Fletcher who is in the phase of his career where he wants to help a team win a Super Bowl. He's not really playing for the money at this point and I'm sure he'd like to prove to the league that he is an asset.

I feel bad enough for the guy where I don't want to stricken him with our team's prospects for the next 2 years.
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Old 10-19-2009, 01:19 PM   #8
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Under our current conditions I think it's unfair to Fletcher who is in the phase of his career where he wants to help a team win a Super Bowl. He's not really playing for the money at this point and I'm sure he'd like to prove to the league that he is an asset.

I feel bad enough for the guy where I don't want to stricken him with our team's prospects for the next 2 years.
Well he's under contract and he chose to sign here. I can't feel too bad for him, he's well compensated.
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Old 10-19-2009, 01:54 PM   #9
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My question is: what do you do with Fletcher? He's still a very productive player (not as good as last year), and absolutely critical for this defense to be above average. But he has two years left on his contract, they're expensive years, and he will be 35 next season. With Orakpo pretty much requiring a move to DL, that entire unit needs to be rebuilt.

So how many draft resources do you put in that position considering how much help the O needs? And with Fletcher, who is a pretty darn good player who we are still losing with, do you cut bait with him at the end of the year and just let the defense take it's lumps?
Blades has been here for a few years studying under Fletcher, he was a stud at Pittsburgh and he's probably ready to fill in and play well.
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Blades has been here for a few years studying under Fletcher, he was a stud at Pittsburgh and he's probably ready to fill in and play well.
I think Blades is the next MLB for us (probably another Pierce), but I think it's a move that comes with a significant scheme change away from trying to funnel the run play to the MLB.

And for that, I think we need upgrades at SLB and WLB.
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Old 10-19-2009, 11:57 AM   #11
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Re: You're Dan Snyder, what's your move?

This really is simple, there is only one step required:

1. Muster all the resources you have left to hire the very best GM possible. Include in the contract that they have 100% autonomy for X number of years where the owner will only request to be informed but will have no other day to day responsibilities.
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Old 10-19-2009, 11:58 AM   #12
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Re: You're Dan Snyder, what's your move?

I would keep Jim Zorn, he is not over his head he just tried to do everything with the offense, His job is to be the HC, not the OC or signal caller. I would keep him to keep some sort of continuity on the offense (something that this team has lacked for a long time). Next I would hire Mike Holmgren to be the GM and give him total control of all personnel decisions. Hiring Holmgren would not only help bring in the right talent, but he would be a security blanket to Zorn. Everybody works better when they feel secure about their situation. Lastly, I would let Vinny Cerrato stick around and milk me for my money for a little while longer...every billionaire needs a good "Yes man" and a racquetball partner (Mr Burns and Smithers).
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Old 10-19-2009, 12:00 PM   #13
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Re: You're Dan Snyder, what's your move?

Much of the youth & talent on the team is on defense. That side of the ball has been rebuilt since the disaster year of 06. Fletcher will have to replaced soon, maybe he's got 1 more year. Guys like Daniels & Wynn, Griff, they're not likely to be here next year even if this team wins 10 in a row to go 12-4!

Overall, the d has a strong core of guys at or near their prime, while the offense has several old guys that can't make it & several young guys that would have a hard time cracking any nfl starting lineup. It may sound crazy, but the positions that arguably could be left alone are wr & TE. I say that knowing full well what a disappointment Davis, Kelly & Thomas have been to this point. At least for another year the prudent thing to do would be focus on the O line & see if the kids develop as playmakers.
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Old 10-19-2009, 12:31 PM   #14
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Re: You're Dan Snyder, what's your move?

I'd fire Zorn and Vinny. There's no reason that Vinny should be able to keep his job at this point. Appoint Jerry Gray as interim HC, appoint Morocco Brown as interim GM and start the search now for someone to come into the front office by December 1st and evaluate to set the course for the franchise in 2010 and beyond.

Anything else would be an exercise in futility.
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Re: You're Dan Snyder, what's your move?

For those who want to rip apart the defense, consider this:

Redskins average time of possession: 27:04 (29th overall, dead last in NFC)
Redskins 1st Downs/Game: 15.7 (29th overall, next to last in NFC, thanks San Fran)

Meanwhile, the Defense is 5th overall in Total Yards allowed and Points Allowed and that's with 2 teams ahead of them that have played 5 games (Denver plays tonight, Eagles have already had their bye). Considering the amount of time they spend on the field, they can only be stretched so thin.

Now, I do realize there are a few holes on D, but those can be fairly easily filled going forward, and still stay successful with the current coaching staff or if Gray is promoted to DC if/when Blache retires.
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