Who for GM

[SouperMeister]

Originally Posted by TheGuyFromOverThere

Me. I´m cheap. I rock. What else do you need?

You couldn't possibly do a worse job than Cerrato has in neglecting O-line depth. You're hired!

[SolidSnake84]

I worry about college coaches making the transition to the NFL. I think the Fun N Gun is still burned in people's brains enough to not try something like that again.

Jon Gruden would be a good coach. Players play to him and he definatley has the experience. Plus he's not old in coach years. I think Jon is 48 or 49 years old. Young enough to be here for a while and build a good team.

[SmootSmack]

Probably more reasons to believe he wouldn't be a good GM

[mlmdub130]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Probably more reasons to believe he wouldn't be a good GM

what his 36 years experience, or 2 super bowl rings, or 5 divisional championships, or is that not enough, who is your man?

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by mlmdub130

what his 36 years experience, or 2 super bowl rings, or 5 divisional championships, or is that not enough, who is your man?

Those things don't mean he'll be a great GM. Lebeau is great at one thing, coordinating defenses. He wasn't even a successful head coach (granted it was with the Bengals but still). It's like saying well Bugel would be a great GM. It doesn't quite work that way. Where is his experience in scouting players, managing a draft?

Personally I think a guy like Jimmy Raye III (Chargers) would be solid

[mlmdub130]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Those things don't mean he'll be a great GM. Lebeau is great at one thing, coordinating defenses. He wasn't even a successful head coach (granted it was with the Bengals but still). It's like saying well Bugel would be a great GM. It doesn't quite work that way. Where is his experience in scouting players, managing a draft?

Personally I think a guy like Jimmy Raye III (Chargers) would be solid

this is true, thats why in my mind this is the MOST important position on a team, and you really never know you just have to bring them in and talk to them and see who will fit best for your/our team, and again that gets us back to that touchy little issue, and jr3 has done great in sd because they have had a couple pretty decent coaches, their names sound familiar too some guy named marty some thing or other and a guy named norv not quite as good as marty but not bad

[RedskinMike]

Originally Posted by mlmdub130

this is true, thats why in my mind this is the MOST important position on a team, and you really never know you just have to bring them in and talk to them and see who will fit best for your/our team, and again that gets us back to that touchy little issue, and jr3 has done great in sd because they have had a couple pretty decent coaches, their names sound familiar too some guy named marty some thing or other and a guy named norv not quite as good as marty but not bad

By wanting to name a defensive coordinator GM and calling Norv a great coach your credibility is in question.

[rbanerjee23]

I'm still sold on Dungy coming in and taking one of the jobs either GM or coach, he would instantly bring this team back from the current brink of Raideritude

[mlmdub130]

Originally Posted by rbanerjee23

I'm still sold on Dungy coming in and taking one of the jobs either GM or coach, he would instantly bring this team back from the current brink of Raideritude

hate to dissapoint but dungy will....... never come to washington, he is way to smart and having way to much fun looking creepy on nbc football night in america(gayest show titile ever). but you have to admit he has a really creepy looking smile

[Beemnseven]

Originally Posted by rbanerjee23

I'm still sold on Dungy coming in and taking one of the jobs either GM or coach, he would instantly bring this team back from the current brink of Raideritude

As for GM, what has "sold" you about Dungy?

I haven't seen anything which suggests he could excel at personnel decision-making, or drafting. Same goes for Mike Holmgren and Marty Schottenheimer. I'd like to know where the idea got started that great coaches are automatically going to be great general managers.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

As for GM, what has "sold" you about Dungy?

I haven't seen anything which suggests he could excel at personnel decision-making, or drafting. Same goes for Mike Holmgren and Marty Schottenheimer. I'd like to know where the idea got started that great coaches are automatically going to be great general managers.

Well Holmgren has had experience and some success already as a GM. I think Schottemheimer might actually be a better president than GM, you know more of a big picture guy. And that's kind of also why people think great coaches can make great GMs. They have that experience of overseeing almost a complete operation and they understand what it takes to have a successful team.

[SFREDSKIN]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Well Holmgren has had experience and some success already as a GM. I think Schottemheimer might actually be a better president than GM.

Yeah and then he'll bring the whole family, his son and brother. I'm sorry, but what has he done as far as winning a playoff game or even a SB to deserve such title with the Washington Redskins (this ain't Cleveland). If it was between Holmgren and Shottenheimer, I take Holmgren hands down, a proven winner all around. Heck, I would even take Marv "grandpa" Levy.

[rbanerjee23]

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

As for GM, what has "sold" you about Dungy?

I haven't seen anything which suggests he could excel at personnel decision-making, or drafting. Same goes for Mike Holmgren and Marty Schottenheimer. I'd like to know where the idea got started that great coaches are automatically going to be great general managers.

Would he be a step up from VC? Yes, would any of those people be a step up from Vinny? Yes

I think that more than anything has sold me, call me crazy for wanting to get better if not necessarily the best...

[WaldSkins]

Originally Posted by rbanerjee23

I'm still sold on Dungy coming in and taking one of the jobs either GM or coach, he would instantly bring this team back from the current brink of Raideritude

If you want Dungy, he wants Tebow:
Dungy also had interesting comments on Tim Tebow. Dungy loves winners. He thinks Charlie Ward would have been a great NFL quarterback because he won at every level. Dungy said that Tebow is like that. He just wins, and that will translate to the NFL.

Dungy said if he ran St. Louis, he'd draft Tebow high in the first round. "Franchise quarterbacks are hard to fine, and I believe in this guy," Dungy said.

Dan asked Dungy if Sam Bradford, Colt McCoy, Jake Locker and Jimmy Clausen were available, would he take Tebow over all of them. Dungy said yes, he'd take Tebow.
Tony Dungy on Vince Young, drafting Tebow, Larry Johnson - Dan Patrick.com

[SBXVII]

^Not only that Smoot but I'd rather have a proven GM who is good at his job but I imagine unless we throw the bank at them they won't leave their current team. Which means we are taking chances on someone who has no experience. I'd rather have a someone who knows and is proven to be able to build a team with talent. I could stomach Holmgren, but I'd rather have Schottenheimer. Only cause he has been here and knows what to expect and will put DS in his place if he tries to meddle.

Mostly I want a GM and HC who are on page with each other and know what type of players best fits the system they are trying to impliment. I believe part of our problems lie with VC having been more of a WC personel type and having Norv, Schottenhiemer, Spurrier, and Gibbs2 did not bode well together. We are finally running a WC style offense with non WC style players. Most likely given time things could turn around but Zorn has not shown me anything that would lead me to believe he has what it takes.

Perhaps part of it is cause he started out bad with the whole "Red, Black, and Yellow." It pointed out to me he obviously can't do a little homework on the internet. Oh I got excited when we were 6-2, but after it showed he can't conform to the talent he has. He reminds me of Surrier who basically said this is my offense run it. I understand injuries make it difficult but a great coach will learn quickly to tailor their scheme to fit their talent, ie; Gibbs1 when he went 0-5 and changed up his offense and went 8-8, Schottenhiemer who changed up after starting out bad and going 8-8. Zorn would prefer to stay the course with his offense and force a round peg into a squar hole, then say it's all about exicution.